tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed ([Redacted]) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:25:10 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Harry Gindi comments on "[Redacted]" (7626) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7626#Comment_7626 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7626#Comment_7626 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:38:10 -0700 Harry Gindi I don't care either. My question was answered. Thanks, Willie.

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jbl comments on "[Redacted]" (7625) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7625#Comment_7625 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7625#Comment_7625 Mon, 26 Jul 2010 04:31:46 -0700 jbl VP comments on "[Redacted]" (7621) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7621#Comment_7621 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7621#Comment_7621 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 21:37:59 -0700 VP Why not politely ask whether the authors of the follow-up comments agree to have their comments removed? This makes no sense whatsoever without the original comment.

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Harry Gindi comments on "[Redacted]" (7615) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7615#Comment_7615 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7615#Comment_7615 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 16:54:54 -0700 Harry Gindi Ah, it's someone (originally from SO) who's sore about the acrimony over at MU. That's about as far as I can tell without more information.

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WillieWong comments on "[Redacted]" (7609) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7609#Comment_7609 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7609#Comment_7609 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:43:10 -0700 WillieWong DragonCat gave an argument that big list problems are useful because he likes LISP/Scheme and that computer languages based on lists are useful.

He then conceded that that there maybe a need for 'undersexed 20-somethings like Harry' who sit in front of the computer all day (or some phrase to that effect; I don't think it was "unsexed" as JBL says) to police the place so the number of big list questions don't get out of hand.

@Scott: bad Scott no cookie. The non sequitur response is a bit funny on hindsight. The insult not so much.

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jbl comments on "[Redacted]" (7608) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7608#Comment_7608 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7608#Comment_7608 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:59:13 -0700 jbl Scott Morrison comments on "[Redacted]" (7607) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7607#Comment_7607 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7607#Comment_7607 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 11:31:10 -0700 Scott Morrison I'm actually no longer sure: I deleted in haste, oops.

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Harry Gindi comments on "[Redacted]" (7603) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7603#Comment_7603 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7603#Comment_7603 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 09:55:28 -0700 Harry Gindi What did dragoncat say?

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Scott Morrison comments on "[Redacted]" (7593) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7593#Comment_7593 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7593#Comment_7593 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:56:30 -0700 Scott Morrison @DragonCat, post deleted.

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Akhil Mathew comments on "[Redacted]" (7591) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7591#Comment_7591 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7591#Comment_7591 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:40:38 -0700 Akhil Mathew WillieWong comments on "[Redacted]" (7589) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7589#Comment_7589 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=7589#Comment_7589 Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:36:18 -0700 WillieWong [this was entered in response to a comment that has since been removed. Moderators should feel free to remove this also.]

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Ben Webster comments on "[Redacted]" (2838) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2838#Comment_2838 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2838#Comment_2838 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:33:45 -0800 Ben Webster Steve-

I would really strongly discourage deleting a question after it's been answered. People put real work into those answers, so they should be kept. You will just have to come up with a nice technical question as penance.

But seriously: it's clear that a lot of site users like "big list" questions, and honestly, I've learned some cool things from reading the answers to some of them. They annoy me from time to time, but I think on the whole, they're a net positive for the site.

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Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2829) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2829#Comment_2829 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2829#Comment_2829 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:53:53 -0800 Steve Huntsman Ryan Budney comments on "[Redacted]" (2827) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2827#Comment_2827 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2827#Comment_2827 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:41:27 -0800 Ryan Budney Grétar Amazeen comments on "[Redacted]" (2825) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2825#Comment_2825 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2825#Comment_2825 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:29:13 -0800 Grétar Amazeen To begin with I want to say that I'm quite happy with many of the big-list questions, that being said I think we do not want MO to lose focus. I don't think a guideline on a period between big list questions is necessary but maybe a stricter guideline on what constitutes a good big list question is in order.

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Scott Morrison comments on "[Redacted]" (2824) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2824#Comment_2824 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2824#Comment_2824 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:19:02 -0800 Scott Morrison Good question. We should have some guidelines for this, but it seems a difficult question. Some people are going to get annoyed anytime they see 2 big-lists on the front page at once, but that's a hard thing to control.

One possibility would be to habitually close any question that gets more than X answers, say X=30. I very much doubt that anyone ever reads the tail end of the answers -- there's some evidence for this in that late answers to questions with very many answers rarely get many votes. It would be nice to be able to quantify this if we had the database dump.

This would solve the problem of "big-lists" cluttering up the front page for weeks.

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Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2823) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2823#Comment_2823 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2823#Comment_2823 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:15:04 -0800 Steve Huntsman
That said, what is a decent interval before popping a big-list question? 2 weeks? A month? I suspect others besides myself might want to set a buffer length. ]]>
Scott Morrison comments on "[Redacted]" (2821) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2821#Comment_2821 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2821#Comment_2821 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:01:50 -0800 Scott Morrison @Steve,

if you'd really like it closed or deleted, I can do that. I don't think it's necessary or even best, however. As you can see, there is some resistance in the community against too frequent big-list questions, and stronger resistance against discussion questions. At this point in time, I don't think there's actually much of a problem, and we have a good mix of questions. The thing to be aware of, however, is that if this mix changed much, the moderators (I think) have a fairly strong consensus that we should limit the rate of such questions.

"Discussion" questions are pretty much verboten: there might not be a better place for them, but they still don't belong on mathoverflow. Your question didn't particularly set off my "discussion" radar.

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Scott Morrison comments on "[Redacted]" (2820) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2820#Comment_2820 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2820#Comment_2820 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:58:23 -0800 Scott Morrison @Harry,

I'd encourage you to try to stick to your goal of staying focused on only the mathematics for a while. In this case, I wouldn't have minded if you'd just posted a link to meta at the very beginning. I've deleted the comment thread between you and Steve (sorry for not asking permission, Steve) and replaced it with a short comment explaining what the link to meta is for, which I think should be a good model for you if you have future complaints about posts: a short sentence explaining the subject matter of the discussion behind a link to meta. Ideal would be if it wasn't even clear which side of the discussion you were on, until the reader clicks through to meta.

Note Tom says you are still the loudest voice on mathoverflow! Personally, I'm pretty happy with your role on mathoverflow at the moment (some reservations about on meta, I admit), but the more you can do to limit complaints about you being the loudest voice, the easier our lives as moderators will be.

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Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2819) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2819#Comment_2819 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2819#Comment_2819 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:52:54 -0800 Steve Huntsman Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2818) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2818#Comment_2818 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2818#Comment_2818 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:45:59 -0800 Steve Huntsman
For the answers, thanks in particular to Kevin for his answer mentioning Sturmfels' paper "Can biology lead to new theorems?" I was glad to learn of this paper. ]]>
bbukh comments on "[Redacted]" (2817) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2817#Comment_2817 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2817#Comment_2817 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:30:09 -0800 bbukh
However, what annoys me greatly is the treatment that Harry receives from some of the regulars of this site. Quite a few times, he has been publicly mocked, and treated as if whatever he says has no merit. It is true that Harry is direct about expressing his opinions, and on more than one occasion this directness detracted people from paying attention to what he says to how he says it. However, it is not a justification for the number of times he was insulted. ]]>
Anweshi comments on "[Redacted]" (2815) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2815#Comment_2815 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2815#Comment_2815 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 10:06:02 -0800 Anweshi Well, the admins can think of it. The headache is theirs anyway. I have already dissolved into an amorphous entity in MO, no longer using the "Anweshi" username. I won't be around to help with the resulting administrative complications; so the people who are responsible can decide themselves. Just put my 5 cents in, regardless.

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Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2814) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2814#Comment_2814 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2814#Comment_2814 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:51:21 -0800 Steve Huntsman Anweshi comments on "[Redacted]" (2813) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2813#Comment_2813 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2813#Comment_2813 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:44:09 -0800 Anweshi Harry has a point. But for greater common good, I do not want to encourage Harry either even if I share his feelings. So +1 to Tom also.

What about the following.

biglists can be moved to biglist.mathoverflow.net, and soft questions can be moved to soft.mathoverflow.net... Or both could be in one name.

These can be running on SE, or vanilla, or whatever Anton prefers.

I think for big lists, soft questions and other such subjective and prolonging stuff, the older platform of bulletin boards(in vBulletin, phpBB, or vanilla as in meta.mathoverflow.net) is more suitable than stack exchange anyway.

So we create another sub-community within mathoverflow, to channel these old-school stuff away from the main screen.

What say?

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Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2812) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2812#Comment_2812 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2812#Comment_2812 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:37:03 -0800 Steve Huntsman Tom LaGatta comments on "[Redacted]" (2810) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2810#Comment_2810 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2810#Comment_2810 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:27:41 -0800 Tom LaGatta @Harry, some of us appreciate big-list discussions. If you don't like them, ignore the "big-list" tag and pay no attention to them.

Aren't you supposed to be focusing on math for a month and not spewing your opinions all over the place?

@Steve, remember that although Harry is the loudest voice on MO, he's only one of many. He is far from speaking for the entire community.

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Steve Huntsman comments on "[Redacted]" (2808) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2808#Comment_2808 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2808#Comment_2808 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:24:32 -0800 Steve Huntsman Harry Gindi comments on "[Redacted]" (2807) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2807#Comment_2807 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/208/redacted/?Focus=2807#Comment_2807 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:19:34 -0800 Harry Gindi