tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:10:39 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17487) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17487#Comment_17487 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17487#Comment_17487 Thu, 08 Dec 2011 21:31:30 -0800 trustgod I understood today that everybody boycotted me both in MO, and Math.SE . My questions, my comments everything goes unanswered, even though it hurts me a lot, I don't know whether its my mistake or is everyone want to quit commenting on my posts. Ok I stop bothering you all, I fight with my circumstances as long as I can, as I understood that we need to struggle a lot, as said "No pains, No gains". I understood that telling about my circumstances and difficulties other things make me still a "joker" in a circus and doesn't really helps me out in getting any help. So I understood that I need to get on with my problems.

Thank you all

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17477) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17477#Comment_17477 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17477#Comment_17477 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 21:23:41 -0800 trustgod @Emerton : Sir, thanks a lot for wasting your time in formatting and explaining in the most understandable way.

But think once sir, Don't I feel bad for disturbing everyone to answer each question thereby wasting your valuable time ? , but I have no other option sir, I improved a lot after seeking your advises, I am reading all these things in a computer in the internet cafe, and I am 21 years old but read a lot of things privately.

I can neither join in an university as its unsophisticated place and I need to support my family too by doing a Job, so neither I don't know a professor who can answer all these questions in the surroundings, your students are too lucky to have a good guide, but I have no other choice except to depend on Math.SE for my doubts. And there is no good library, the library we have here, has only news papers, school grade mathematics, formula banks and some literature in languages, so I am travelling to long places and copying some hundred pages manually into paper by seeing books, and preparing them at house. And also journals are very costly online. ( I shouldn't tell all my problems to you, but have to tell as you need to understand my intention behind disturbing everyone ) .

so thats why I am disturbing you sir, and even the professors in our area at maximum know only basic calculus not more than that, and even many of the people don't know what is a computer here ! , so I cant find any one who can really help me out.

But sincerely I am asking you to give me any useful suggestion what I can do now. But never in my life I forget the help done by you and others.

Yours truly, Iyengar.

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Emerton comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17475) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17475#Comment_17475 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17475#Comment_17475 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:59:39 -0800 Emerton Dear Iyengar,

I just wrote out a sketch of an answer to your question. The reason your questions generally go unanswered is the following: your questions about Iwasawa theory, or about the Tate conjecture, are the kinds of questions that might be raised and answered in an advanced graduate class, or a research paper or monograph. To answer them in any kind of reasonable way, the answerer would need to have substantial expertise in number theory and arithmetic geometry. There are very few people active on MSE with this level of expertise (maybe just two or three), and perhaps not many more who are active on MO.

It takes time to gather one's thoughts and answer such a question, and among the participants in MSE or MO who could answer such questions, which as I've said is already only a handful, the number who are willing to take the time to answer them is even smaller, since people are busy.

Finally, there is the question of what good it does to answer such a question: if my Ph.D. students were to ask such a question, I would probably not answer it (at least not in any more detail than I have answered your questions on MSE), but rather direct them to appropriate background reading (Silverman's book on elliptic curves, Mazur's paper on Iwasawa theory of abelian varieties, the article about the Tate conjectures in the Motives volumes, etc.). With sufficient background, they could then read Tate's original Bourbaki seminar on BSD and the Tate conjecture, and get the answer to the question themselves. If their background is not sufficient to read Tate's article, then it's not clear to me that giving a very detailed explanation will help.

As for myself, I am also busy, and will be cutting back my participation on MO and MSE, so I'm afraid I may not be able to answer many more of your questions, at least in the near future.

Regards,

Matthew

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17474) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17474#Comment_17474 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17474#Comment_17474 Wed, 07 Dec 2011 07:41:32 -0800 trustgod @Emerton : Sir I must not create this issue every time I post the question, but can you figure out and tell me what is the reason behind my questions going unanswered in Math.SE ?

1) Should I wait for some more time ?

2) Should I improve my formatting and english ?

see this question once sir. Thank you.

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17472) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17472#Comment_17472 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17472#Comment_17472 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:52:59 -0800 trustgod Gerry Myerson comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17470) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17470#Comment_17470 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17470#Comment_17470 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 14:08:38 -0800 Gerry Myerson
*Gnothi seauton may refer to:

*Gnothi seauton, an ancient Greek aphorism (Greek: γνῶθι σεαυτόν), which means "know thyself" in English

*"Gnothi Seauton", the second episode of the American television series Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

*See also

*Gnothi Seauton: Know Yourself, a 1734 poetry book by John Arbuthnot and others

Having never watched Sarah Connor, the reference is lost on me. ]]>
trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17466) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17466#Comment_17466 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17466#Comment_17466 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 10:08:35 -0800 trustgod quid comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17463) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17463#Comment_17463 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17463#Comment_17463 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 09:58:42 -0800 quid Iyengar: I am glad you found my comment helpful. While this is quite an unusual thing on this site, I, in general and for various reasons, want to strictly separate my activity on MO from my other activities. Thus, I ony communicate with the MO-community via the main site and this meta site, but not via email or using my real name.

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17462) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17462#Comment_17462 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17462#Comment_17462 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 09:03:02 -0800 trustgod quid comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17461) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17461#Comment_17461 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17461#Comment_17461 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 08:49:07 -0800 quid Iyengar, some people already expressed that the formulation of Darij was not alright, and I agree. It also got removed (either by himself or a moderator). Personally, in general I also cannot quite understand why your style of expressing yourself is such an issue for some. But neither can I fully understand why you insist on it. However, in Darij's defense, while it is a bit difficult to see behind the formulation, what he actually said is perhaps not so offensive. Perhaps try to read it like this:

I understand we come from quite different cultures and therefore I assume what you write is a normal form of expressing great respect. However, for me this is a unusual way of writing. This makes it difficult to focus on the quite interesting content of your present post. Thus I would like to ask you to be a bit less respectful in the future, I can assure you still nobody here will find you disrespectful.

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17460) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17460#Comment_17460 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17460#Comment_17460 Tue, 06 Dec 2011 08:18:48 -0800 trustgod

@Yemon choi : Gnothi seaton ? , Huh I know pretty well every-body becomes a philosopher to judge others , but one will not respond in the same way when same situation happens to them , but do you think you stay silent if you heard some one saying the same word to you ? ]]>
Anton Geraschenko comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17453) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17453#Comment_17453 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17453#Comment_17453 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:28:47 -0800 Anton Geraschenko While I think there is value in curating a reading list, I don't see the value in recruiting people to typeset it. If nothing else, the project will be undermined by the fact that not everybody has the same interests. Even individuals are interested in different things at different times. This means that it's going to be hard to beat the approach of simply browsing the site and collecting personal favorites. If you're looking for some inspiration, you can look at what your MO heroes have favorited in their MO profile page.

If all that is desired is to generate pdfs readable offline, then you can simply print the page. MO has print-specific css, so it should come out looking reasonable. If you have requests for changes in the print css, let me know.

Instead of just copying posts into a TeX file with only minor changes, I think a better idea could be to choose some questions and let relevant people (relevant as in "relevant to the question", not the "influential" of the OP) to write small expository notes containing, but not limited to, these questions and their answers. This would create some surplus value if done well. Unfortunately, it also creates surplus work, and I am not particularly optimistic about whether we can convince enough people to do that work.

Some people post questions or answers that fill this role. Instead of only asking or answering the question, they provide a tour of the topic. When they don't, it's not likely that somebody else will. Then again, it's not too uncommon to see answers starting "To expand on XXXXX's excellent answer, ..."

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KConrad comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17452) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17452#Comment_17452 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17452#Comment_17452 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 23:20:39 -0800 KConrad Anton Geraschenko comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17451) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17451#Comment_17451 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17451#Comment_17451 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:46:07 -0800 Anton Geraschenko [I've deleted a bunch of posts from this thread, as they were off topic and the thread was getting pretty degenerate. Since I did this fairly quickly, it's possible that I deleted something that contributed in some way. The original can be found here and reposted.]

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17443) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17443#Comment_17443 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17443#Comment_17443 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:45:56 -0800 trustgod Emerton comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17429) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17429#Comment_17429 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17429#Comment_17429 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:21:30 -0800 Emerton I am one of the people mentioned in the first post of this thread, and I'll use this as an excuse to point out that I link to several of my MO posts from my web-page.

This seems to be one way to usefully collate MO posts.

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darijgrinberg comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17428) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17428#Comment_17428 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17428#Comment_17428 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 12:10:49 -0800 darijgrinberg Instead of just copying posts into a TeX file with only minor changes, I think a better idea could be to choose some questions and let relevant people (relevant as in "relevant to the question", not the "influential" of the OP) to write small expository notes containing, but not limited to, these questions and their answers. This would create some surplus value if done well. Unfortunately, it also creates surplus work, and I am not particularly optimistic about whether we can convince enough people to do that work.

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quid comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17427) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17427#Comment_17427 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17427#Comment_17427 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:32:01 -0800 quid In principle I think this is a very nice idea. Whether various practical problems can be overcome, I do not know. I might say more later.

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Spiro Karigiannis comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17425) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17425#Comment_17425 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17425#Comment_17425 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 10:36:13 -0800 Spiro Karigiannis Yemon Choi comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17424) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17424#Comment_17424 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17424#Comment_17424 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 10:29:55 -0800 Yemon Choi For what it's worth, I don't see the point of such a project. We all know that comparing the number of upvotes on answers left on different questions is rather spurious. If people find particular MO answers or questions, illuminating, they can save copies, print copies, or even transcribe copies.

Moreover, not all that glitters is gold.

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darijgrinberg comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17422) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17422#Comment_17422 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17422#Comment_17422 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:51:57 -0800 darijgrinberg I think it would take a little more than a script. First of all, we've got a lot of messy interferences between Markdown and LaTeX here, so any script would have to take notice of these and also of the various hacks people use to work around them (e. g., \\ instead of \). Second, some posts have newcommand declarations, which might conflict across different posts. Third, the war on overfull hboxes still hasn't been reasonably automated to my knowledge (I'd like to be proven wrong on this). Fourth, some high-voted posts make reference to some lower-voted posts or even to other questions; all of this would have to be taken into account. Fifth, we should let the authors of the posts make some edits (typo fixes, clarifications etc.) before we PDF them - usually, MO posts are not written with the intention to be final or perfect.

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trustgod comments on "Conversion of famous MO posts into PDF files" (17421) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17421#Comment_17421 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1238/conversion-of-famous-mo-posts-into-pdf-files/?Focus=17421#Comment_17421 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:35:13 -0800 trustgod
So I was intending to ask the question on MO instead of Math.SE as "J.M." has already posted a reference to the same issue I asked, which was previously asked by some other OP ( which is just similar to it, but not exact ), but I didn't have any intention to make the Meta redundant by posting the same question, so I would like to share my views and ideas, users and other persons kindly respond.

My main intention was to collect a set of interested people who are experts in LaTeX, and do like this :

1)First the people ( People here refers to the ones who come out voluntarily, they should have knowledge in judging the quality of answers, I mean a good-mathematical background ( not like my background ) ) should assemble at a Meta thread and start collecting fantastic answers of questions posted, and keep a voting system impartially . The answer that has got the highest votes must be selected

2) Then a PDF file must be prepared with a reference to the MO Question ( which will not only contribute for implanting knowledge but also serve as a means of advertising MO, as everyone who reads those articles surely know about MO then ! ) and that file should be kept in their respective home-pages.

3) The most important or major doubts that one encounter can be grouped together under the PDF file with name "FAQ of Number-Theory " and we can use as a reference at last of the respective subject articles, ( like the end of the Number theory book/Number theory lecture article /Abstract Algebra book or any other book, so that people who read the PDF lecture file reads the FAQ of the subject at last and understands the major concepts and doubts and as answers are also present at the next to them it would be so handy to use ) .

J.M. has already pointed to something called "Stack Printer" which is this one ( http://www.stackprinter.com/ ) , It doesn't serve the complete purpose, It just gives the scope for printing , but I always think that a PDF file would be much useful to keep, as we can read it offline too, and also we can't print all articles .

So I am ready to extend any sort help but I didn't take initiative as I neither don't have a Web-page nor a online space, and I know that if I take initiative I am sure to face comment-wars which I don't want to happen, so I stopped as I know a proverb that "Blind man should never lead people" ( Not that I am blind literally )

So if you think its good I have still plans with me, but I am surely desiring to see those magnificent answers turn into well-formatted TeX

P.S: if you think that its a long process, the best thing one can do is to add a new interactive feature to that "Stack Printer" asking a user to choose the options, and options will be "Download as PDF, Print Document etc.. "

Thanks a lot.
yours truly,
Iyengar ]]>