tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (A curious series of questions) 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher Todd Trimble comments on "A curious series of questions" (11085) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11085#Comment_11085 2010-11-25T17:31:00-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Todd Trimble http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/411/ Andres: me too. Bit of a fishing expedition, from the looks of it. Andres Caicedo comments on "A curious series of questions" (11084) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11084#Comment_11084 2010-11-25T17:19:38-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Andres Caicedo http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/251/ I am curious about this user: http://mathoverflow.net/users/11094/gapo . His question is not unreasonably for a small project. On the other hand, he gives no motivation or information. Gerry Myerson comments on "A curious series of questions" (11019) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11019#Comment_11019 2010-11-23T16:00:29-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Gerry Myerson http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/370/ Can you take this to FootballOverflow? Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (11017) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11017#Comment_11017 2010-11-23T15:15:02-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/208/ They have been so slow on this. And UEFA is not the same as FIFA anyway. But they have been using goal line officials (rather than cameras) in the Europa Cup for a year or two already. So inclusion ...
Note that I have no idea whether it is Champions League or Champions' League or some other thing.

I can finally confirm that there is also an official on the Real goal line, Ajax have rarely gotten close enough for the television camera to show that goal.]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (11016) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11016#Comment_11016 2010-11-23T14:59:11-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Hailong Dao http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/120/ @Will: they are called, well, goal lines, I believe. Funny I am watching the highlights too. @Will: they are called, well, goal lines, I believe. Funny I am watching the highlights too.

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (11015) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11015#Comment_11015 2010-11-23T14:41:35-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/208/ I think I can see that a public record is potentially an important deterrent for someone sufficiently advanced that they can be located. But on to something really important, I am watching a same-day ...
But on to something really important, I am watching a same-day replay of Real Madrid-Ajax, and there are quite definitely extra officials standing on the goal lines to judge whether goals have occurred. I do not believe I know what those lines are called, the side lines are called touchlines as far as I can tell.]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (11011) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11011#Comment_11011 2010-11-23T12:18:30-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Hailong Dao http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/120/ Dear everyone, Thank you for your comments. I would like to emphasize that I did not want to make a spectacle out of this and especially did not want to create more tasks for the moderators. ... Dear everyone,

Thank you for your comments. I would like to emphasize that I did not want to make a spectacle out of this and especially did not want to create more tasks for the moderators. Following Anton's lead in the last thread, I will remove the link in the original post. After all, my reason for starting this thread was not about these particular questions but more academic: I was really curious to see if there are protocols on these matters. All your comments raised excellent points, and perhaps at this point the best solution is to use our common sense and let the sun does its job!

Yours,

Long

PS: if you are new to the thread and would like to see the actual link in my post, please feel free to email me.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "A curious series of questions" (11009) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11009#Comment_11009 2010-11-23T12:01:31-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ ... especially after somebody here not so long ago tried to delete all his questions after they were answered. That was a weird situation. The software normally won't allow the OP to delete a ...

... especially after somebody here not so long ago tried to delete all his questions after they were answered.

That was a weird situation. The software normally won't allow the OP to delete a question that has a substantive answer (one with at least 2 upvotes), and those cases the software just barely failed to recognize the answers as substantive. I'm still planning to write a script to walk through the database each month to look for questions with substantive-looking answers that have been deleted by the OP, but I've been pretty busy lately.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "A curious series of questions" (11008) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11008#Comment_11008 2010-11-23T11:48:15-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ I guess my position is further left than most people here: I think sunshine is good. Attempting to rig MO so that it cannot be used to solve a thesis problem feels like attempting to rig words so ... I guess my position is further left than most people here: I think sunshine is good. Attempting to rig MO so that it cannot be used to solve a thesis problem feels like attempting to rig words so that they cannot be used to lie or to rig a knife so that it cannot be used to cut oneself. Some precautions are a good idea, but it quickly becomes ridiculous. It's fine to suggest that this person change his username to his real name, but we have absolutely no way to enforce it. Supposing the username was "David Folbers" (a name I just made up) as opposed to "David" and the profile said he was a professor at the "University of East Turiland" (also just made up), would this thread never have been started?

If a question is poorly motivated, asked by an anonymous user, or the asker is not engaged, you're welcome to not answer it. But if it is coherent and interesting, it seems strange to insist that nobody answer it based on the speculation that it is an attempt to cheat in some way. If somebody is cheating, I think it's far better to make it clear that they won't get away with it than to try to prevent them from doing it in the first place. I can't think of any better deterrent than providing a completely public and searchable record who contributed what on MO. The reason to use your real name should not be because you are forced to, but because you want to lay claim to your contributions.

Not only is transparency probably the best solution, it also happens to be easy to implement and unobtrusive.

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (11007) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11007#Comment_11007 2010-11-23T09:46:22-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/208/ Scott, since you put it that way, first I can say that I support your idea. This also gives me an opportunty to put my strong feelings in milder words: a multiple-question fishing expedition by ...
This also gives me an opportunty to put my strong feelings in milder words: a multiple-question fishing expedition by correctly named Professor ___ is likely to be acceptable to me. The same sequence of questions by an unknown who seems to be getting a free thesis is not.

I like Alex's point about OP's not responding to requests for background/motivation. This happens in so many different types of questions, it is not always a sign of anything unsavory, but it is a sign that the OP just wants something and is not engaged in the conversation.]]>
Scott Morrison comments on "A curious series of questions" (11005) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11005#Comment_11005 2010-11-23T09:23:07-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Scott Morrison http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/3/ I think it would be reasonable in this case to insist (say, the moderators via private email) that this person changes their username to their real name. What do people think? I think it would be reasonable in this case to insist (say, the moderators via private email) that this person changes their username to their real name. What do people think?

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Alex Bartel comments on "A curious series of questions" (10986) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10986#Comment_10986 2010-11-22T23:21:35-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Alex Bartel http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/393/ Finally, I am fairly certain there are serious mathematicians on MO whose usernames are "unknown". That's certainly true but then asking for motivation usually clarifies the situation a ...

Finally, I am fairly certain there are serious mathematicians on MO whose usernames are "unknown".

That's certainly true but then asking for motivation usually clarifies the situation a fair bit. If the poster doesn't react, then this should raise an alarm flag. But for some people, the hunt for reputation points is just too tempting (I am not referring to the particular posts in question and not blaming you for answering, since the situation really does seem less clear here).

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (10985) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10985#Comment_10985 2010-11-22T22:35:27-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/208/ Hailong, right, this one is more subtle. Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (10984) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10984#Comment_10984 2010-11-22T22:18:53-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Hailong Dao http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/120/ @Will: I think the issue is a bit more complicated. First of all, "cheaters" is a little strong. Sometimes there are languages/cultural differences. Also, inexperienced users may not be ... @Will: I think the issue is a bit more complicated. First of all, "cheaters" is a little strong. Sometimes there are languages/cultural differences. Also, inexperienced users may not be sure what are the right protocols for MO. Finally, I am fairly certain there are serious mathematicians on MO whose usernames are "unknown".

In any case, as I wrote above, my recollection of Martin's thread was quite different from the points of view expressed so far, so I am curious to hear more comments.

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (10983) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10983#Comment_10983 2010-11-22T22:08:26-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/208/ I go along with Alex about the anonymous users. I had two series of contacts from a graduate student at a prestigious university in Scandinavia, looking for help with what eventually turned out to be ...
Eventually I decided that she was probably mentally on the edge, and that I did not have a deep need to hear that she was booted out. But the whole thing really, really pissed me off while it was going on. I don't like cheaters.]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (10982) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10982#Comment_10982 2010-11-22T21:45:41-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Hailong Dao http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/120/ @Alex, Will: I actually raised a similar point in the first thread that touched on this issue. It seemed to me then that most people on that thread did not consider this to be serious enough to stop ... @Alex, Will: I actually raised a similar point in the first thread that touched on this issue. It seemed to me then that most people on that thread did not consider this to be serious enough to stop answering such questions. The community seemed to agree then that having a public record is good, and the only people who may lose are the people who post the questions.

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Alex Bartel comments on "A curious series of questions" (10981) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10981#Comment_10981 2010-11-22T21:25:27-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Alex Bartel http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/393/ Personally, I have stopped answering questions from anonymous users, except for basic reference requests or common knowledge. These kinds of situations are my main reason for it, especially after ... Personally, I have stopped answering questions from anonymous users, except for basic reference requests or common knowledge. These kinds of situations are my main reason for it, especially after somebody here not so long ago tried to delete all his questions after they were answered. I also really wish people woudn't jump to answer a question if somebody asks in a comment what the motivation is and a satisfactory answer is not provided. I sometimes even downvote such answers, even if they are mathematically ok (or should I say especially then).

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (10980) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10980#Comment_10980 2010-11-22T19:39:27-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/208/ Certainly appears to be trying to get MO to write a thesis for him at some level. The choice of language is what I think of as selfish, giving nothing unless he is getting a handout. Also answering ...
Presumably there is no single rule that covers this. But I think this is an abuse, worse than homework because harder to see and eventually important. The bad news is that you may need to take some sort of lead on this, as you know the material.]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (10979) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10979#Comment_10979 2010-11-22T18:56:55-08:00 2018-11-04T13:52:39-08:00 Hailong Dao http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/120/ This user has been posting a series of increasingly sophisticated questions (judging purely by the number of upvotes!). My feeling is that they are not HW, since who would assign two open problems ... This user has been posting a series of increasingly sophisticated questions (judging purely by the number of upvotes!). My feeling is that they are not HW, since who would assign two open problems in a week ?

However, these do feel like some kind of honors thesis or even starting point of something bigger. For example, one part of his latest question turns out to be sandwiched between two well-known conjectures, and I have not seen it raised elsewhere. It is possible but unlikely that idle curiosity leads to these group of questions.

Normally I would not think too much about this. After all, sunshine is good (or something like that, sorry English is not my native tongue). But in light of recent events I think I would post this here to see if the moderators and the community have some opinions on this matters. In particular, do we answer such questions? If so, how much should we give? What if a bigger stream of questions arrives?

As I said above, I have nothing against the OP posting these questions. They are nice, I like them and I would probably give similar answers if some graduate students emailed me those questions. What I would like to know is what the community thinks, and whether some consensus has formed over this (somewhat delicate) issue, especially since the OP is anonymous.

I would appreciate your thoughts and comments.

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