tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (Who should be allowed to ask a question?) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:23:21 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher sean tilson comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11459) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11459#Comment_11459 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11459#Comment_11459 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 21:34:53 -0800 sean tilson
That is a very generous account of my answers, most of them are not that good.

Anyway, my main point was that I think putting such a minimum would keep people such as beginning to intermediate grad students away. I just wanted to point that out. There is some initial nerve you have to work up to posting on here, especially an answer. ]]>
Will Jagy comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11404) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11404#Comment_11404 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11404#Comment_11404 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:19:28 -0800 Will Jagy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_of_Days ]]>
WillieWong comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11402) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11402#Comment_11402 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11402#Comment_11402 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:51:08 -0800 WillieWong @Will:

I've got to say that I never really saw this from the position of an early graduate student or late undergraduate.

that's okay, we understand. Your age ain't exactly much of a secret :)

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Will Jagy comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11398) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11398#Comment_11398 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11398#Comment_11398 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 10:08:27 -0800 Will Jagy
I looked at your profile, you do have an orphaned user ID from October 2009, but meanwhile you have managed to amass about 975 points, ask five clearly substantial questions, and give some 34 serious answers. You are doing this the right way. ]]>
sean tilson comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11384) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11384#Comment_11384 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11384#Comment_11384 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:43:38 -0800 sean tilson
I also agree with Andrew Stacey about the difference between being "elitist" and "exclusive." I feel that MO gets called elitist all too often. ]]>
Gerry Myerson comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11383) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11383#Comment_11383 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11383#Comment_11383 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:15:02 -0800 Gerry Myerson Qiaochu Yuan comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11380) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11380#Comment_11380 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11380#Comment_11380 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 18:56:25 -0800 Qiaochu Yuan That quiz has to be one of the nerdiest things I've ever seen. (Also, 12. High score?)

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Akhil Mathew comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11370) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11370#Comment_11370 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11370#Comment_11370 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 16:22:06 -0800 Akhil Mathew grp comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11367) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11367#Comment_11367 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11367#Comment_11367 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 15:57:36 -0800 grp
Gerhard "Eccentric? Me? No. Just Idiosyncratic." Paseman, 2010.12.06 ]]>
Andrew Stacey comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11326) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11326#Comment_11326 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11326#Comment_11326 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:21:36 -0800 Andrew Stacey Forget MO reputation. Being on that list is the mark of a true mathematician.

(Even if less than half of you know about my particular eccentricity.)

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Cam McLeman comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11322) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11322#Comment_11322 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11322#Comment_11322 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:50:15 -0800 Cam McLeman Harry: Spoiler alert!

I got 10 (in fact, exactly the 10 most correctly-gotten), but remembered 15 out of 17 quotes.

Also, +1 to pit_trout's comment on Sporcle.

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Zev Chonoles comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11314) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11314#Comment_11314 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11314#Comment_11314 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:32:52 -0800 Zev Chonoles I got 7 - would have been 8 except for the same middle initial. I knew the one about the "binary domain" because it was on one of my questions.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11312) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11312#Comment_11312 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11312#Comment_11312 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:15:00 -0800 Harry Gindi I realized that was Urs immediately =D!

(oops, spoiler'd)

It's a bit unsettling to know that I'm more predictable than Andrew L, and on par with the guy who puts his quote at the end of every one of his posts =/.

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Todd Trimble comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11311) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11311#Comment_11311 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11311#Comment_11311 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:43:19 -0800 Todd Trimble WillieWong comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11309) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11309#Comment_11309 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11309#Comment_11309 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 06:39:55 -0800 WillieWong Officially I got only 5 right :( But that's because I couldn't remember how to spell Harry's lastname, and forgot that Tim only goes by his lastname on MO.

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Andrew Stacey comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11308) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11308#Comment_11308 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11308#Comment_11308 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 06:35:52 -0800 Andrew Stacey !??!!!??? ROTFL

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11306) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11306#Comment_11306 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11306#Comment_11306 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 06:24:29 -0800 Anton Geraschenko +1 Ben and Pete.

Regarding getting to know MO users better than your in-person colleagues, see this quiz.

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Georges Elencwajg comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11304) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11304#Comment_11304 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11304#Comment_11304 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 05:02:40 -0800 Georges Elencwajg I also feel, like Pete, that I have warmer feelings toward many users of MO than toward many colleagues I know for real: I remember the pleasant feeling I had when first being introduced to Donu Arapura. It was as if an old friend had come to visit me, although in fact I had never seen him before.
To come back to the point of this thread: the great American aphorism "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" exactly applies to MO's policy of making it as easy as possible for new users to ask questions. ]]>
Akhil Mathew comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11303) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11303#Comment_11303 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11303#Comment_11303 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 04:28:23 -0800 Akhil Mathew Andrew Stacey comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11301) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11301#Comment_11301 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11301#Comment_11301 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:45:02 -0800 Andrew Stacey I completely agree with what Pete just said (apart from the bits about Scott Carnahan). In addition, I've just scanned through the first two pages of MO users, and I think that there are only two who might admit to having met me "in real life" and two more who would probably associate me more with the nLab than MO.

Of course, being a social gathering place for mathematicians is not MO's purpose, nor even on the radar as far as MO's porpoises go. But it's a nice side-effect. And as much as I am happy with MO being elitist, I am unhappy with MO being exclusive.

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Pete L. Clark comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11300) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11300#Comment_11300 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11300#Comment_11300 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 02:55:00 -0800 Pete L. Clark I agree heartily with Ben Webster. Having to page through closed questions is slightly annoying, but it's really no big deal. The point to make here is that the platform is designed to be largely community-moderated and this works very well: the chore of closing inappropriate questions and explaining as politely as possible why this was done has been distributed over a large populace. I probably participate in this process as much as most people do on this site, and it doesn't interfere with my use and enjoyment of the site.

Trying to "fix" things by making it harder in any way for people to immediately come to the site and ask questions is a remedy that, to my mind, could be much worse than the ill we're trying to cure. I have already seen a lot of resentment about MO elsewhere on the internet (especially math.SE) from people who think that it has an exclusive, club-like atmosphere. These people are right to the extent that it is designed for the rather select group of professional, research mathematicians and is not especially welcoming to others. However, they're wrong in the sense that the club we're cultivating is not the "MO club" or the "Berkeley club" or the "hotshot young algebraic geometers club" -- it really is both accessible and appealing to all stripes of professional mathematicians all over the world. (Fun fact: I have never met any of the MO moderators in person -- correction: I think I met Scott Carnahan once, and I was friends with his girlfriend at one point -- or had any prior dealings with them whatsoever. But as a function of MO I have grown to think of these people as my colleagues, and in some ways I have grown closer to them than some of my actual colleagues whom I mostly just say hi to when I pass them in the hall. And with regard to the user base as a whole: participating in MO has been the most positive, significant networking experience of my professional life. It's not even close. When I meet people in person now, I'm "that Math Overflow guy"...)

Believe me that when I tell people about MO and what a great site it is, their most common concern is whether the site is difficult to use or requires registration, and so forth. I always tell them that you can just jump in immediately and figure out within ten minutes how to ask or answer a question. Let's stop for a moment and reflect on how well our site is doing: almost every week a truly superstar mathematician pops up, often people who were world-famous before the internet even existed. Raising the barrier to entry even a little bit is going to scare off some people that we would be absolutely delighted to have. Let's not do that, even if we could.

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Andreas Thom comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11299) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11299#Comment_11299 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11299#Comment_11299 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 01:09:08 -0800 Andreas Thom
@Sean: If someone is really interested to participate, he will be able to get the 25 reputation points or some invitation by a member. I do not see a problem here. Sure, it makes MO more exclusive, but that was the idea.

@Ben: Whether it has "really been that disruptive/hard to ignore", I do not know. I for one, find it annoying. But you are right, there is no urgency and as Kevin remarked, we have to live with it anyway. ]]>
Ben Webster comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11298) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11298#Comment_11298 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11298#Comment_11298 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 00:09:13 -0800 Ben Webster @KB and @HG: I feel like both of you left out with an important detail, which is that the SE people haven't offered to move us to SE2.0 yet (or in fact make any changes to the site's status). So while people are ambivalent, it is not yet an option anyways.

On the question at hand: I think people don't give enough credit to the ease of moderating bad questions. I mean, yes, over the past couple of days there has been a burst of closed questions, and that has been annoying, but have they really been that disruptive/hard to ignore? As long as people keep asking and answering good questions, they'll disappear pretty fast. At the end of the day, I guess the question comes down to how many good questions you want to make it too annoying for people to ask in return for filtering out some bad ones. Will has shown that he's not particularly worried about this point, but I don't really agree; we'll never really know which questions might not have been asked had we required people to wait until getting rep before being able to ask. At the moment, I think things are in the "ain't broke; don't fix" stage, which is rather convenient, since we couldn't fix even if we wanted to.

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sean tilson comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11295) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11295#Comment_11295 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11295#Comment_11295 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 13:32:34 -0800 sean tilson
This new minimum would cut out a lot of beginning grad students who are not capable of answering questions in a way that they feel contributes to the site. I recently had a "good" answer to a question of Pete Clark's about flat and projective modules (good in the sense that it got some votes). This is a pure coincidence in that it was all timing. I happened to be on after Pete posted the question, that is I happened to submit that answer before someone else did.

I do think that there are ridiculous questions being posted, and that something should be done about it, but I don't think a minimum to ask is the right thing to do. What about modifying it to there being a minimum to ask unless your user ID identifies you in some fashion? (like on the Manifold Atlas) ]]>
Will Jagy comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11293) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11293#Comment_11293 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11293#Comment_11293 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 09:44:35 -0800 Will Jagy
With the idea of no barriers at the start, I came up with the idea of part reciprocity, every five questions you need to have a minimum number of new answers with upvotes to ask the next question. That's not going to be possible either, but it would move arguments about amateurism and main field of interest to the more concrete "can you both give and receive on this particular website." The effort of answering somebody else's questions, and answering well, gives some sense of what makes a readable question, and those who can only ask are cut off after a while, probably to just go make new user ID's.

One can dream. ]]>
Harry Gindi comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11291) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11291#Comment_11291 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11291#Comment_11291 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 05:38:12 -0800 Harry Gindi @KB: Nope.

The moderators are not paying money to use the old software, but they're also ambivalent about moving over to the new software, since it would entail some changes that would simply be unacceptable. An optimal situation would be if we could use the new software but pay monthly (as was originally planned) while maintaining our autonomy from the rest of the SE network.

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Kevin Buzzard comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11290) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11290#Comment_11290 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11290#Comment_11290 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 05:17:32 -0800 Kevin Buzzard
More details: The moderators are paying money (I think) to have the software, which is an _old_ version of some software, and the people who run the software won't make any changes because they want us to use the new version, which we are not yet doing. So your point is moot: there's nothing we (by which I mean the moderators, not me) can do unless we make absolutely huge changes to the site by upgrading the entire package. ]]>
Andreas Thom comments on "Who should be allowed to ask a question?" (11289) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11289#Comment_11289 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/812/who-should-be-allowed-to-ask-a-question/?Focus=11289#Comment_11289 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 04:51:45 -0800 Andreas Thom
I think there could be a quick solution to this. Why not requiring a very low number of reputation points (like 25 or so) before someone is allowed to ask a question. At the same time, if someone has more than a certain number (like 3000) reputation points, he is allowed to invite new MO-members which automatically get those 25 points and can ask questions right away.

This would probably clean up MO quite a bit. ]]>