tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (How do I ask a good question?) 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher Anweshi comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (2058) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=2058#Comment_2058 2010-01-22T03:06:23-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anweshi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/94/ @Anton. I understand your concern. The tipbox is a good idea. It may be helpful to also mention the matter of hyperlinks right on the top of the editing help page. As of now one has to look a bit to ... @Anton. I understand your concern. The tipbox is a good idea. It may be helpful to also mention the matter of hyperlinks right on the top of the editing help page. As of now one has to look a bit to find it.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (2057) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=2057#Comment_2057 2010-01-21T21:57:36-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ @Anweshi: I'm a bit worried about trying to cram too much into one page. The how to ask page already links to the editing help page, the formatting reference box (in the sidebar when you ask a ... @Anweshi: I'm a bit worried about trying to cram too much into one page. The how to ask page already links to the editing help page, the formatting reference box (in the sidebar when you ask a question) shows you how to link, and the editor has a button for creating links. How about if I add a tip about using the editor to the tip box in the sidebar?

@Tom (re tagging): There is already a list of all the arXiv tags next to the tag box when you ask a question. Unfortunately, people have become very good at ignoring everything on the page that doesn't immediately relate to what they're doing (I'm guilty of it too), which makes it very hard to educate users before they've actually engaged the community. But after somebody asks a question and starts participating, they're usually very quick to learn how they should behave. Tagging is one thing that takes people a while to get the hang of. Choosing a good title is another one.

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Tom LaGatta comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (2030) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=2030#Comment_2030 2010-01-21T10:21:50-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Tom LaGatta http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/115/ @Harry, I apologize for the "being a dick" comment (calling somebody a dick is just dickish); I edited my post to be more polite. Thanks for the response. Tom LaGatta comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (2023) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=2023#Comment_2023 2010-01-21T08:46:41-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Tom LaGatta http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/115/ I know I'm a little late to this thread, but it's already been bumped so I'll toss in my two cents.@buzzard said, "NB if you think that lots of newcomers are tagging, it's because their ...
@buzzard said, "NB if you think that lots of newcomers are tagging, it's because their posts are quickly edited by old hands."

I've been on this site for a few months, and it was only *yesterday* that I noticed there was a link at the top of the page to all the tags. I understand why a newcomer has trouble with this! Yes, if a user starts typing something in the tag box, she sees a relevant tag. On the other hand, how should she know what tags are out there to use? There should be a link *next* to the tag box to the list of all available tags, not just at the top of the page.

@Harry, you said, "If you don't like it, then leave. MO has a designated purpose, and letting in "creative" ... questions tends to scare away serious mathematicians."

I've heard it said repeatedly that this site is run by the community. Well, the community doesn't automatically agree with you on every issue, or even with Anton and the other moderators. As adults and serious mathematicians, we should be able to respect another user's opinions without resorting to insults, abrasive comments, or asking him to leave the site. I disagree with you on many issues, but I think you are a valuable member of the community and I am thankful for your participation. But please, be respectful!

@Igor, I hope that you didn't leave the site after all.

@rwbarton said, "the correct "tool" for questions like yours, I believe, is talking to other people in person."

While I know that you were specifically talking about Igor's question, let me give my own example (my apologies if this is a bit of a strawman). In my question yesterday ("Changing coordinates so that one Riemannian metric..."), there were answers and comments by Deane Yang, Tim Perutz, Mariano Suárez-Alvarez, Matt Noonan, and HRM. While I would love to have a discussion with these people in person, it is difficult being that I live in Arizona and they in Brooklyn, Austin, Buenos Aires, Ithaca, and Cambridge, respectively. Moreover, before I asked my question, I had no idea that these would be the people I would be discussing it with. On the internet, there are other mathematical resources (newsgroups, blogs, etc.), but none of them has the ease of use or access to such a large community that MathOverflow has. Rather than dismissing one's question out-of-hand, we should sharpen it to make it relevant for this site.

Since I seem to have tossed in about twelve cents more than I'd proposed at the beginning, it's worth tossing in two more:

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Anweshi comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (2001) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=2001#Comment_2001 2010-01-20T16:54:08-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anweshi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/94/ @Anton. I suggest that the matter of how to create hyperlinks be added to the "how to ask a good question" page. I see many new people not knowing about how to do this. It may be helpful. @Anton. I suggest that the matter of how to create hyperlinks be added to the "how to ask a good question" page. I see many new people not knowing about how to do this. It may be helpful.

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Anweshi comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1614) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1614#Comment_1614 2010-01-08T10:26:05-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anweshi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/94/ @Korepanov. Are you this person? If so, please don't leave. Your subject has value and you are an experienced researcher. Please do not take to heart what the enfants terribles say. I am a graduate ... @Korepanov. Are you this person? If so, please don't leave. Your subject has value and you are an experienced researcher. Please do not take to heart what the enfants terribles say. I am a graduate student and I value the presence of experienced people like you in this forum. It would make my own experience here more worthwhile. Please hang around, even if it is only in the background watching for questions of your interest.

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1613) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1613#Comment_1613 2010-01-08T10:15:10-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ Dear all, I think I must follow Harry Gindi's kind advice and leave this site. It will be better, however, if we part with some warmer sort of mutual feelings. So here are my wishes: 1) I wish this ... Dear all,

I think I must follow Harry Gindi's kind advice and leave this site. It will be better, however, if we part with some warmer sort of mutual feelings. So here are my wishes:

1) I wish this site success. Life is paradoxical. The natural evolution may well bring this site from such ideas as "not fostering creativity" to something more balanced.

2) Respect each other. Please note also that posting my question about fractal matrices - and hoping that I will be understood - implied my respect of the smartness of my readers.

3) By happy in your personal lives.

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Jon Awbrey comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1598) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1598#Comment_1598 2010-01-07T21:07:30-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jon Awbrey http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/34/ Re: "The whole purpose of being strict with the question policy is to maintain a certain level of discourse." It is a frequently a matter of collective interest to decide whether a given ... Re: "The whole purpose of being strict with the question policy is to maintain a certain level of discourse."

It is a frequently a matter of collective interest to decide whether a given means M (for example, being strict with question policy) helps to achieve a given objective O (for example, to maintain a certain level of discourse).

In the example at hand, we need to ask what is meant by "discourse", especially since its most common meaning, discussion, is expressly deprecated in the main arena.

Inconsistent values are problems in practice and theory both.

You mentioned a sense of "discourse" that splits a hair between it and "discussion", but whether you are using that sense is another question.

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Jon Awbrey comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1591) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1591#Comment_1591 2010-01-07T20:18:27-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jon Awbrey http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/34/ Expression as a 1-way street, then, exclusive of interaction? Expression as a 1-way street, then, exclusive of interaction?

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Jon Awbrey comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1585) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1585#Comment_1585 2010-01-07T19:36:26-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jon Awbrey http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/34/ Discourse? Is that anything like discussion? Discourse? Is that anything like discussion?

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1542) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1542#Comment_1542 2010-01-07T10:38:49-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ You can ask, "why close questions at all?" After all, it's not like we're trying to save space on a hard drive. It's not at first thought unreasonable to say, "let's just leave ... You can ask, "why close questions at all?" After all, it's not like we're trying to save space on a hard drive. It's not at first thought unreasonable to say, "let's just leave everything open and ignore what you don't like." One problem is that it's not so easy to ignore stuff (it sounds easy, but it amounts to doing the work of finding what you're interested in, which is quite hard). Another problem is that allowing questions you don't want draws the wrong people and the wrong attitude to the site. As Emerton said, "things that will appeal to one person, or scare them away, may have the opposite effect on a different person." Attempting to target both of those people with the same website is clearly a bad idea. Not everybody has to use MO, and MO users don't have to use it all the time. Having some people trying to play tennis in the same place as others are trying to watch TV is annoying for everybody.

Closing vague unanswerable questions is partially to deter people from asking such questions and encourage them to ask focused questions that have answers, which is what I believe the SE framework is best for. But it's also to protect the target user base. If a mathematician spends a lot of energy answering a vague question (and they will because so many of them are far too nice or are OCD), I think it's a waste of time (or at least does more harm than good). I generally think that vague questions should be closed but not deleted. That way, if somebody really has something to say about it, they can do it in the comments, where they can't waste too much time because they are restricted to 600 character chunks, but they can easily provide a link to a blog post they made on the topic. The extra energy barrier keeps MO from becoming scatterbrained.

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Emerton comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1541) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1541#Comment_1541 2010-01-07T09:49:54-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Emerton http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/103/ I don't want to be the one to decide whether or not I count as a serious mathematician, but the kind of questions that Harry is criticizing are one of the attractions of the site for me. I'm not ... Anweshi comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1535) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1535#Comment_1535 2010-01-07T08:24:34-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anweshi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/94/ There is one important difference between stackoverflow and mathoverflow. Over there, "no question is stupid as long as it is about programming". Not so here. There are strong objections to ... There is one important difference between stackoverflow and mathoverflow. Over there, "no question is stupid as long as it is about programming". Not so here. There are strong objections to primary-school-level questions and "creative"(in the sense of Harry) questions.

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Emerton comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1512) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1512#Comment_1512 2010-01-06T14:39:34-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Emerton http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/103/ I am a working mathematician, and I watched the site for some time before joining. The site has two attractions for me: there are occasional difficult technical questions that are fun to think ...
I am sympathetic to Gil Kalai's points, and to Igor Korepanov. I couldn't begin to answer Igor's question, since
I don't have any experience in his field, but if someone asked a similar question in fields I know about (``has anyone seen examples of the following phenomenon ... ''), I would be glad to share whatever experience I had. I belive that this is all Igor wanted. If the site survives, maybe sometime in the future someone will see his question
and immediately be able to give an example; I think this would be great, and a success for the site. In the meantime it could persist unanswered, causing no harm that I can see. I'm sure that Igor has also asked his question in person to his colleagues; posting it on a widely read site presumably was deliberate, with the hope of finding someone in the world who might be able to help.

I understand that the moderators/principal contributors desire to follow a certain model which they believe will be successful, and which will achieve the goals they have in mind. On the other hand, they have managed to create an online community with much greater reach than most other blogs or discussion forums, and it is natural that people will try to use it for many different purposes, most of them positive. I hope that a sense of openness to different tastes, viewpoints, and styles of research can be maintained.

If people don't like a question, they can always ignore it. Just to conclude with a cheeky comment, I would enjoy trying to give a succint answer to ``What's the deal with algebraic geometry''.]]>
gilkalai comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1510) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1510#Comment_1510 2010-01-06T14:04:25-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 gilkalai http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/49/ @anton, ok if the four questions I mentioned as my own questions regarding fundamental examples, or what precisely is categorification, ot what is an integrable systems follow the guidlines for being ...
In general, it is very hard to judge (or advice regarding) the quality of a question (or an answer) in a formal context-free way. Also, non optimal (even bad) questions (which can be unfocused or overlly focused on the wrong detail) can still lead to good answers. Of course, nobody has an obligation to asnwer to, or even to spend time thinking about a question of no interest to him/her.

Overall, while the quality of questions (and answers) vary, there are very rare cases of abuse and people are overall doing their best (and also experiment various ways to use this site) so this is why I think the strong tone is not justified.]]>
Pete L. Clark comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1492) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1492#Comment_1492 2010-01-05T16:43:05-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Pete L. Clark http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/64/ @Korepanov -- To be frank, I think we here at MO have been quite patient with you, and you have been rather critical of us, for instance suggesting that MO is a seriously not-serious site that will ... @Korepanov -- To be frank, I think we here at MO have been quite patient with you, and you have been rather critical of us, for instance suggesting that MO is a seriously not-serious site that will squelch creativity in young mathematicians. That's insulting to a lot of people.

The bottom line is that several people here tried to figure out what you meant, and you have insisted on a lack of clarification, that "any connection" would be exactly what you were looking for. Finally you got one response drawing a certain kind of connection, to which you promptly replied "well, anything except THAT".

If you want people to understand you and communicate with you, you need to meet us a little closer to halfway.

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Ilya Nikokoshev comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1491) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1491#Comment_1491 2010-01-05T16:28:19-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Ilya Nikokoshev http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/22/ Let's calm down a bit... We're still in the process of figuring things out! Let's calm down a bit... We're still in the process of figuring things out!

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1486) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1486#Comment_1486 2010-01-05T15:24:23-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ And of course I am very serious. This site was recommended to me (and other members of some other forum) by Greg Kuperberg, who is of course a serious person, so it is indeed very seriously sad for ... And of course I am very serious. This site was recommended to me (and other members of some other forum) by Greg Kuperberg, who is of course a serious person, so it is indeed very seriously sad for me to find this rather totalitarian tendency of suppressing creative questions here. It is really serious!

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1484) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1484#Comment_1484 2010-01-05T15:19:55-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ @ rwbarton - "If the details of a question exist only in your head" - no, that question did not have any hidden details. It was exactly as it was formulated: does anybody know anything ... @ rwbarton -

"If the details of a question exist only in your head" - no, that question did not have any hidden details. It was exactly as it was formulated: does anybody know anything like that.

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rwbarton comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1481) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1481#Comment_1481 2010-01-05T15:14:06-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 rwbarton http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/6/ @Igor: I do not think "serious" means what you think it means. @Igor: I do not think "serious" means what you think it means.

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rwbarton comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1480) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1480#Comment_1480 2010-01-05T15:13:37-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 rwbarton http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/6/ @Igor: the correct "tool" for questions like yours, I believe, is talking to other people in person. mathoverflow is a high-latency place compared to an actual conversation, and no one ... @Igor: the correct "tool" for questions like yours, I believe, is talking to other people in person. mathoverflow is a high-latency place compared to an actual conversation, and no one wants to put several minutes into composing an answer which probably wasn't what the asker was looking for anyways. If the details of a question exist only in your head, then you need to give people answering your question more direct access to them!

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1479) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1479#Comment_1479 2010-01-05T15:01:53-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ @ Anton - I like your energetic way of writing, although I cannot guess what you meant by hammer and screw. Thank you anyhow; perhaps your site was indeed a wrong place to ask serious questions. ... @ Anton -

I like your energetic way of writing, although I cannot guess what you meant by hammer and screw. Thank you anyhow; perhaps your site was indeed a wrong place to ask serious questions. Still, my question did already receive the very clear answer, in the negative (remember that it began with "Does anyone know... ?"). So I am already grateful, and my wishes of success to your site!

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1478) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1478#Comment_1478 2010-01-05T14:40:37-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ @gilkalai: Just because it is possible to ask a good question that doesn't conform to all of the guidelines does not mean that the guidelines are bad (see the note at the end of the "how to ... @gilkalai: Just because it is possible to ask a good question that doesn't conform to all of the guidelines does not mean that the guidelines are bad (see the note at the end of the "how to ask" page). But I would argue that the questions you refer to do follow the guidelines for being specific questions. Though they are somewhat philosophical questions, in each case the body of the question lays out specifically what the asker is looking for. I can tell by reading an answer that it is an answer to the question the person is asking. That is, the person answering the question doesn't have to guess what the question is, or to answer several possible interpretations of the question.

Re strong language: I'm not convinced that the language is too strong (but maybe I can be). Each of those quotes is at the beginning of a paragraph which goes on to explain the criticism. It should be clear that those criticisms apply to questions that don't "have answers" (in the sense I described in the previous paragraph). Even [big-list] and [soft-question] questions really should have a focus to them. Even if they don't have a single answer, it should be clear what constitutes an answer. The fundamental examples question is extremely broad, but it isn't vague. It's clear what constitutes an answer, and an expert answering the question is not struck with a feeling of "how do I even begin?" upon reading it.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1477) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1477#Comment_1477 2010-01-05T14:09:48-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ @buzzard (re "You have to know it's nt.number-theory (or whatever it is) and not number-theory or number theory or numbertheory or whatever."): once you type in "numb" you should ... @buzzard (re "You have to know it's nt.number-theory (or whatever it is) and not number-theory or number theory or numbertheory or whatever."): once you type in "numb" you should get a drop-down menu with the tags nt.number-theory, analytic-number-theory, number-fields, algebraic-number-theory, along with a number next to each indicating how common each tag is. On top of that (just below it rather) there's an explanation that you should use at least one arXiv tag and a list of what all the arXiv tags are. The site tries to make it easy to tag, but if newbies still don't tag, I guess old hands have to step in. If somebody is such a bad communicator that he asks a question that nobody else can figure out how to tag, I don't think adding a line to the "how to ask" page is going to help that person; they're not putting enough effort into communicating to ever be interested in reading that page.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1476) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1476#Comment_1476 2010-01-05T14:01:18-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ Re one liners: I hope the background and motivation section makes it pretty clear what the purpose of providing background and motivation is. Sometimes it's not worth it. Maybe everybody should ... Re one liners: I hope the background and motivation section makes it pretty clear what the purpose of providing background and motivation is. Sometimes it's not worth it. Maybe everybody should already know what's going on, or if they don't then it would be too much trouble to bring them up to speed. As the final note at the end of the page says, it's okay to violate the guidelines if it's a conscious decision and you're doing it for a good reason.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1474) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1474#Comment_1474 2010-01-05T13:53:49-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ @Igor Korepanov: sorry that section makes you sad, but I stand by it. It's fine to think about broad questions, but when you come to a question and answer site, you should ask a question that has an ... @Igor Korepanov: sorry that section makes you sad, but I stand by it. It's fine to think about broad questions, but when you come to a question and answer site, you should ask a question that has an answer. To do otherwise is like trying to use a hammer to get a screw into a piece of wood. If you have a broad or vague question you want to discuss, (a) you should use a different tool (a discussion forum or a blog rather than a Q&A site), and (b) I still think it's a good idea to figure out what your goal in asking it is. It's OK if Math Overflow doesn't touch every part of your mathematical activities; it's just meant to be a tool to use when that tool is appropriate.

More generally, I'd like to point out that crowd-sourcing (which is what MO is) works well when you have well-defined tasks for people to do and works poorly for large projects starting from scratch. Successful "open source" projects always have one (or a few) people who bring the project to a point where it is reasonable for others to make useful specific contributions. When you ask a question on MO, you have to be that person who brings the question to a point where others can meaningfully contribute to it. Asking somebody else to do it is inappropriate.

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Mariano comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1471) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1471#Comment_1471 2010-01-05T12:42:52-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Mariano http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/61/ @Igor: regarding your question... "Vague" ca be very good when it is good. But IMO in that question "vague" means without any context or even a definition. I've stared at the two ... @Igor: regarding your question... "Vague" ca be very good when it is good. But IMO in that question "vague" means without any context or even a definition. I've stared at the two links you provided, and after some work I was barely able to see that you are one of the authors. By no means do I know everything there is to know, but I do have a non-negligible general mathematical culture and after having read quite a few times your question and looked at the pictures in the papers, I still have no idea what it is about! (And I am still as intrigued as I initially was!)

One good way to evaluate questions is to look at the answers they get. This criterion is independent of whatever form of evilness the Management-Ownership has chosen to submit us to: presumably you wanted answers to your question.... Yet the question has not gotten any.

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gilkalai comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1469) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1469#Comment_1469 2010-01-05T12:32:31-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 gilkalai http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/49/ We ask questions because we want to know the answers and because we think others will also would like to know. The most important property of a question (in math overflow or elsewhere) is that it ... We ask questions because we want to know the answers and because we think others will also would like to know. The most important property of a question (in math overflow or elsewhere) is that it reflects what you want to ask. Yes, you have to give thought to the question and to try to present it in an interesting, clear and useful way (this does take some creativity, at times).

The questions "what is the right definition of a ring" and "why are functional equation important" are very good questions and so are the questions "why is the exterior algebra so ubiqutous" and "interesting applications of the Pigeon-hole principle". In the page how to ask a good question these four questions would be in the column of being too vague/board. The page advices to ask something like: "Does the pigeon-hole principle can be used to prove Y?" I disagree with such a general advice. It depends what the person asking the question really want to know. If what he really wants to learn about interesting applications of the pigeon hole principle this is reasonable, can be of interest to others, and this is precisely what he should ask.

One important aspect that is missing is that we should strongly encourage questions about mathematics (pure math, applied math, connections to other sciences and academic areas, even teaching/presenting math and math-history) and not encourage (but allow nevertheless within limits) questions around math; namely questions "of interest to mathematicians" which are not questions in mathematics.

Dear Anton: Being interesting is impornat for a question (or answer) in order to be useful and in order to be clear. Strong language: "criminally undervoted", "Such questions (imprecise) are as bad as (or worse than) homework questions; they waste everybody's time." " There are few things worse than a question which is too vague, too broad, or imprecise. Not only is it lazy to ask a vague or imprecise question, it's also rude. You're essentially asking somebody to do the work of figuring out what you want to ask, and then answer it..". However my main problem with the two last quotes, is not just the strong language, I simply disagree with the content. (But I would avoid such language anyway.)

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Kevin Buzzard comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1467) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1467#Comment_1467 2010-01-05T12:21:38-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Kevin Buzzard http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/65/ NB if you think that lots of newcomers are tagging, it's because their posts are quickly edited by old hands. Trying to explain how to tag is tough. Explaining that a good first line is ... Kevin Buzzard comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1466) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1466#Comment_1466 2010-01-05T12:20:30-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Kevin Buzzard http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/65/ But most newcomers don't tag *at all*! And it's tough to tag. You have to know it's nt.number-theory (or whatever it is) and not number-theory or number theory or numbertheory or whatever. Harald Hanche-Olsen comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1465) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1465#Comment_1465 2010-01-05T12:11:31-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Harald Hanche-Olsen http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/18/ @buzzard: Yes, except it's senseless to repeat information in the text that is already contained in the tags. The text needs to be more specific than the tags. @buzzard: Yes, except it's senseless to repeat information in the text that is already contained in the tags. The text needs to be more specific than the tags.

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Kevin Buzzard comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1464) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1464#Comment_1464 2010-01-05T11:44:48-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Kevin Buzzard http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/65/ David: that last comment is sufficiently neat that it should be put into the "good question" page in my opinion. Making the first line of a question a clear statement of the subject ... David Speyer comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1460) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1460#Comment_1460 2010-01-05T09:49:43-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 David Speyer http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/23/ Regarding one liners: I think the goal is to write in a way which makes it easy for a reader to determine whether or not they have relevant knowledge. The first two examples in buzzard's post strike ... Regarding one liners: I think the goal is to write in a way which makes it easy for a reader to determine whether or not they have relevant knowledge. The first two examples in buzzard's post strike me as fine; I am quite certain I don't know the answer to the first, and that I could work out the answer to the second but an expert could do it faster. I am also quite confident that I don't know the answer to the question fedja points out.

I complained about buzzard's third example because I do know a lot about maps GL_n(K) ---> GL_N(L) when L is R or C, K is R or C and N is finite and I have some knowledge about the case K=Q_p, L=C, N finite. I couldn't tell whether or not this was the knowledge the original poster wanted. (As it turned out, "admissible" was the clue that it was not. Perhaps it is my fault that I wasn't sharp enough to pick up on that.)

If I were to try to turn this into rules for inexperienced posters, I would say "link or cite your definitions" and "if you know your question lies in a particular field, indicate it." For example, I have a question which starts out something like: "This is a question about quivers with potential in the sense of Derksen, Weyman and Zelevinsky..."

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1459) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1459#Comment_1459 2010-01-05T08:57:55-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ @ plclark Specifically, I asked my question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/10700/self-similar-matrices because I needed any hint on any type of self-similar matrices or whatever resembles that in ... @ plclark

Specifically, I asked my question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/10700/self-similar-matrices because I needed any hint on any type of self-similar matrices or whatever resembles that in any manner.

My experience in Yang-Baxter equation and related issues strongly suggests that whatever looks at first sight vaguely similar, in some 5 years or so becomes just the same thing.

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1458) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1458#Comment_1458 2010-01-05T08:49:25-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ Again @ Qiaochu, about fostering the ability to think and communicate clearly: everything is clear in the already finished parts of mathematics. So, why not foster the ability to do at least ... Again @ Qiaochu, about fostering the ability to think and communicate clearly:

everything is clear in the already finished parts of mathematics. So, why not foster the ability to do at least something where everything is still unclear, vague and evasive? This is much trickier of course, going off the beaten track...

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Pete L. Clark comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1457) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1457#Comment_1457 2010-01-05T08:47:39-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Pete L. Clark http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/64/ Part of me can see what Korepanov is getting at: one of the main facets of mathematical research (in my opinion: repeat this as often as necessary throughout) is getting the feeling that two ...
However, I think this is a very internal process: when communicating with others, vague ideas don't go over so well. If you think that X and Y are related and you want to ask someone else about it (assuming the answer is not already well-known to them: if X = elliptic curves and Y = modular forms, in 2010 we don't need any help connecting the dots), then in order to get any kind of actual help you need to explain _why_ you think the relation is there.

A personal example: I saw a number theory paper on the arxiv last night that reminded me, somehow, of some elementary but curious calculations that my PhD student had to do for his thesis problem. So, being an excellent advisor, I emailed him last night and said, basically, what I just said above: I feel X is reminiscent of Y. Being an excellent student, he emailed me this morning to tell me that he had a look at the paper and didn't think that there was much of a connection beyond this one common calculation [and that he really wants to talk to me about Heegner points: always with the Heegner points!] Do I still think there's some connection there? Honestly, yes. But obviously I'll have to figure out a little more in order to get someone else to pay attention to it.]]>
Kevin Buzzard comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1456) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1456#Comment_1456 2010-01-05T08:17:49-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Kevin Buzzard http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/65/ Back on topic: +1 Qiaochu. Seeing a fun, precise, puzzle ("proof or counterexample: X implies Y"), is all the fun of it, as far as I am concerned. I find questions of the form ... Kevin Buzzard comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1455) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1455#Comment_1455 2010-01-05T08:15:43-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Kevin Buzzard http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/65/ @pete: :-) Right up to monads and adjunctions! Not sure it ever did me the slightest bit of good though. I use definitions/notation defined in the first two lectures again and again (notion of ... Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1454) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1454#Comment_1454 2010-01-05T07:14:03-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ @ Qiaochu Yuan Sure the "Management-Ownership", as Jon put it, will make the wise and ideologically correct decision on the subject of this discussion, which I respect in advance. But can ... @ Qiaochu Yuan

Sure the "Management-Ownership", as Jon put it, will make the wise and ideologically correct decision on the subject of this discussion, which I respect in advance. But can I ask you: why exactly do you want to push me, with my broad questions, out of this forum into some obscure "blogs"?

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Pete L. Clark comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1453) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1453#Comment_1453 2010-01-05T07:05:50-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Pete L. Clark http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/64/ "I sat through a graduate level course in category theory"Et tu, buzzard?
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Qiaochu Yuan comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1452) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1452#Comment_1452 2010-01-05T06:53:38-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Qiaochu Yuan http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/13/ @Igor: I respectfully disagree. The goal of MO is not to foster creativity in young people. (And I say this as one of them!) It is to provide good, specific answers to good, specific questions. ... Kevin Buzzard comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1450) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1450#Comment_1450 2010-01-05T06:31:55-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Kevin Buzzard http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/65/ Let me talk about one-liners. There have been a few of them recently, for example http://mathoverflow.net/questions/10718/strong-monics-in-the-category-of-locales . This is a question which doesn't ...
Another example is http://mathoverflow.net/questions/10496/an-inequality-relating-the-factorial-to-the-primorial . Again no background, and this time we do have some people moaning, but note that the moaners are never going to be answering that question even if they got their 3 paras. On the other hand an analytic number theorist passes by, sees the question, and hang the missing three paras, they just type in their answer and the OP goes away happy.

A 3rd example is http://mathoverflow.net/questions/10710/classification-of-irreducible-admissible-representations-of-gln . We get moany comments and even a moany answer because the question doesn't follow the "correct procedures". But we get two wonderful answers too, and I note that if the question had been made more precise then there would have been a chance that Emerton would not have bothered comparing and contrasting the two different answers that we have to the question in the p-adic case.

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Jon Awbrey comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1448) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1448#Comment_1448 2010-01-05T02:40:34-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jon Awbrey http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/34/ @ Igor — It's progress that the Management-Ownership of the site is beginning to clarify its values. Yes, there's always a Management-Ownership — it resides in the Power to flip ... @ Igor —

It's progress that the Management-Ownership of the site is beginning to clarify its values. Yes, there's always a Management-Ownership — it resides in the Power to flip the switch off any time the arc of state deviates too far from its owned or unowned objectives — that's just the way the Internet was designed, no matter what mumbo-jumbo anyone gives you about “we are not a hierophancy”.

The local definition of “Question Worth Asking” (QWA) appears to be converging toward “Question With Immediate Answer” (QWIA), so long as it's not too “local”, the definition of “local” being somewhat out of site, out of mind right now. I don't think the rest of the world would agree that QWA = QWIA, but we are only talking about site-local definitions here.

At any rate, it's still a kind of progress …

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Igor Korepanov comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1447) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1447#Comment_1447 2010-01-04T23:49:47-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Igor Korepanov http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/101/ The section "Ask a focused question that has a specific goal" makes me very sad. It is exactly the way to kill all the creative activity in young people. I am embarrassed by the ...
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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1446) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1446#Comment_1446 2010-01-04T23:37:20-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ @gilkalai: Unfortunately, an upvote does not stand for "this question is useful and clear." There are many forces to explain why many questions that violate the guidelines that get lots of ... @gilkalai: Unfortunately, an upvote does not stand for "this question is useful and clear." There are many forces to explain why many questions that violate the guidelines that get lots of upvotes:

  • People often vote up questions that are not useful or clear but sound interesting.
  • Easy-to-understand questions tend to accumulate upvotes because lots of people look at them. Very good precise technical questions are often criminally undervoted.
  • People vote much more liberally on "fun" questions and community wiki questions.

I think these problems will always be with us, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't push for people to ask better, clearer questions. If anything, we should push for people to change their voting habits.

Where did you feel like the language was too strong?

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1444) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1444#Comment_1444 2010-01-04T22:30:43-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ I've added links to the "how to ask" page from the FAQ. I've added links to the "how to ask" page from the FAQ.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1443) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1443#Comment_1443 2010-01-04T22:03:41-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ @Jonas: it looks like you can't, or rather couldn't. I've just changed a setting on this forum so you should now be able to delete your own comments. @Jonas: it looks like you can't, or rather couldn't. I've just changed a setting on this forum so you should now be able to delete your own comments.

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Jonas Meyer comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1442) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1442#Comment_1442 2010-01-04T21:49:54-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jonas Meyer http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/87/ @Anton, I can delete my posts here? I don't see how. I'll do that if I can, but regardless you have my permission to delete obsolete corrections/comments. And yes, I'll post a new comment if I see ...
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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1441) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1441#Comment_1441 2010-01-04T21:35:33-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ Thanks for all the great feedback! I've just made some changes. @Harrison Brown. Expanded the "do your homework" section slightly and explicitly said that good questions take ... Thanks for all the great feedback! I've just made some changes.

  • @Harrison Brown. Expanded the "do your homework" section slightly and explicitly said that good questions take effort.
  • @Jonas Meyer. Corrected those typos. I'd prefer you make a new post when you find new typos rather than edit an old post since it's easier for me to keep track of new posts than edits. You can just delete posts as they become out-dated (or I can delete them as I correct if you don't mind).
  • @Ilya Nikokoshev. (re: broken formatting) I wanted to remind myself to set those two paragraphs apart a bit since they apply to both of the previous sections. I ended up just adding an extra <br> to offset them. (re: formatting section) In the question you linked to, I agree that h3s work better, but in the example, there are very few section headings and lots of text, so the larger headings make it easier to assess the question quickly. I also used to use h3 headings, but I've become a bit bolder with h2s. You also have to take into account that headings on MO are grey, not black, so they don't draw they eye as much. For example, in this question, I think h2s work better than h3s would.
  • @Mariano. Fixed links.
  • @Mariano, Noah Snyder, bwebster, wilton. I substantially changed the first paragraph of the "Be precise" section (I didn't like that paragraph either) and expanded the paragraph on generalizations in the "Turn it around" section (retitled "Consider different formulations of the question").
  • @fedja. I think the problem with that question is either (a) the words aren't meaningful enough or (b) the asker has misjudged the composition of the community (nobody understands what he's talking about). In either case, the right thing to do is to tell him to explain what he means better. I'm also not sure how much content there is to the question. He should explain what a "winner takes all" rule is, what the undesirable behavior is, and what desirable behaviors another rule should have.
  • @Mariano re that example. That is a vague, imprecise question. The first two sections are devoted to discouraging that kind of question.
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Ilya Nikokoshev comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1440) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1440#Comment_1440 2010-01-04T18:41:27-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Ilya Nikokoshev http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/22/ Formatting: I suggest ### instead of ##, example: Three Look at how well this looks here and also this works in the question. Two And this is the text which looks too small compared to the title. Formatting: I suggest ### instead of ##, example:

Three

Look at how well this looks here and also this works in the question.

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And this is the text which looks too small compared to the title.

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Mariano comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1429) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1429#Comment_1429 2010-01-04T15:04:35-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Mariano http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/61/ While over explaining what is a good question is surely a bad idea, a line discouraging unmotivated "are there generalizations of X which relate to Y?" questions, as in this example, would ... While over explaining what is a good question is surely a bad idea, a line discouraging unmotivated "are there generalizations of X which relate to Y?" questions, as in this example, would be useful, I think :)

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HJRW comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1414) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1414#Comment_1414 2010-01-04T12:23:59-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 HJRW http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/98/ The following sentences in the first paragraph of `Be precise' are confusing.`You have to explain what your starting with: what is your background and what are your hypotheses? You also have to ...
`You have to explain what your starting with: what is your background and what are your hypotheses? You also have to explain what you're trying to get. In this case, you have to explain what information you're starting with; what is your variety?'

The phrase `You have to explain what... you're starting with' is used twice about different pieces of information. `You also have to explain what you're trying to get' is very vague. What do you mean by `get'?

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Ben Webster comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1413) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1413#Comment_1413 2010-01-04T11:58:10-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Ben Webster http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/21/ Maybe as a section title instead of "Turn it around," you could use something like "Choose context carefully" or "Choose context so that it will be of broad interest"? Maybe as a section title instead of "Turn it around," you could use something like "Choose context carefully" or "Choose context so that it will be of broad interest"?

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fedja comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1411) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1411#Comment_1411 2010-01-04T11:05:04-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 fedja http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/29/ I just wonder whether we should add a section like &quot;State your question in the simplest possible terms&quot;. What I mean is something like http://mathoverflow.net/questions/10697 . It ... gilkalai comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1409) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1409#Comment_1409 2010-01-04T09:45:00-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 gilkalai http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/49/ Certainly the page on &quot;How to write a good problem&quot; represents a welcome effort and it does raise many valid points. I agree with some of the examples for bad questions, with the ...
Regarding the first items on the page. In my opinion, problems should be focused but sometime not overly focused; problems should be precise, as much as possible but not beyond that. To attract answers, you do have to ask interesting questions. Also there are legitimate different tastes for asking mathematical problems.

One concern I have with the page is that the taste of the mathflow users as reflected by the upvotes (which stand for : "this question is useful and clear") is not compatible with the advice on the page on some matters, certainly not in the strong form it is given. Look, for example, at the 50 questions that earned most upvotes and test it.

The other concern is that in a few places the language of the page is too strong.

Let me add as a general remark that some of the issues relevant to mathoverflow including a few topics discussed on the meta have a larger (and more important) scope than just this site. (Example: approach towards applied mathematics.)]]>
Noah Snyder comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1406) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1406#Comment_1406 2010-01-04T08:58:47-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Noah Snyder http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/59/ Overall it looks really awesome. My one complaint is that &quot;Turn it around&quot; is opaque. The other headers I could at least figure out basically what you meant before reading the ... Mariano comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1405) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1405#Comment_1405 2010-01-04T08:38:14-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Mariano http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/61/ There are quite a few links pointing to nowhere (http://mathoverflow.net/turnitaround, http://mathoverflow.net/motivation) because they should look like ... There are quite a few links pointing to nowhere (http://mathoverflow.net/turnitaround, http://mathoverflow.net/motivation) because they should look like http://mathoverflow.net/howtoask.html#turnitaround

The one little piece of advice in that page with which I disagree (somewhat emphatically :) ) is «Even better, turn your question around by giving your particular example as motivation and ask a more general question» I would suggest instead that people do ask about specific examples and, if they are they want and if this is justified, that they ask more general questions. A few reasons that come to mind: they may not be aware of what the more general question is and refrain from asking as a consequence, they may get answers for the more general question which have nothing to do with what they intended to ask (!), they may focus in one particular generalization precluding other generalizations of which they are not aware, and, finally, generality is something that should be justified (there is a difference between general nonsense and boring, useless general nonsense...)

An example: a while ago I asked about certain special measures on convex sets and I purposedly phrased the question in the least general way possible and involving as little technology as I could: I was quite sure MOers would be able to jump from a triangle to a convex set by themselves, and if they knew about it, see the connection with the Radon transform, and so on.

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Ilya Nikokoshev comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1403) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1403#Comment_1403 2010-01-04T03:09:30-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Ilya Nikokoshev http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/22/ This text is a wonderful idea! The formatting is broken currently for a paragraph that starts with "There are few things worse than a question which is too vague, too broad, or imprecise." This text is a wonderful idea!

The formatting is broken currently for a paragraph that starts with "There are few things worse than a question which is too vague, too broad, or imprecise."

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Harrison Brown comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1400) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1400#Comment_1400 2010-01-03T23:30:39-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Harrison Brown http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/46/ Excellent page, Anton! One small suggestion re the "do your homework" section: There's certainly more that you should do other than try to find a reference! If I have something which I ... Excellent page, Anton!

One small suggestion re the "do your homework" section: There's certainly more that you should do other than try to find a reference! If I have something which I think might be a good MO question, but it's not immediately apparent what exactly I want to learn, I'll almost always play with it for a while (usually at least half an hour, and sometimes as long as off and on for a couple of days) before I ask it. Even if I don't think that I have any chance of being able to solve the problem or answer the question myself, making an effort to do so to the best of my ability always "clears the fog" and helps me to understand where I'm having trouble or what it is I really want to know. And apparently it works, since people have very generously upvoted even some of my embarrassingly trivial questions.

Anyway, it seems like one of the underlying themes to the page is: "Put some effort into your questions!" It might pay off to make that more explicit.

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Jonas Meyer comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1397) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1397#Comment_1397 2010-01-03T16:23:27-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jonas Meyer http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/87/ There are exceptions to any set of guidelines, but that shouldn't deter one from making guidelines. As JSE comments on that answer: &quot;...I don't usually like &quot;tell me about topic ...
(BTW, thanks Anton for the explanation. I do prefer the rewording; you didn't have to cater to my pedantry. I understand your choice of putting the voting recommendation there; if nothing else it may help to deter such questions by letting users know that others are discouraged from voting them up.)]]>
Ilya Nikokoshev comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1396) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1396#Comment_1396 2010-01-03T15:56:51-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Ilya Nikokoshev http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/22/ I don't think we should dismiss "review articles" entirely: for a positive example, see http://mathoverflow.net/questions/6517/double-affine-hecke-algebras-and-mainstream-mathematics. To my ... I don't think we should dismiss "review articles" entirely: for a positive example, see http://mathoverflow.net/questions/6517/double-affine-hecke-algebras-and-mainstream-mathematics. To my knowledge David Ben-Zvi doesn't regret spending time on writing that answer :)

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1395) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1395#Comment_1395 2010-01-03T09:55:24-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ Actually, maybe the last paragraph of "Be specific" would be better suited for a separate page or section of the faq on suggested voting practices. The reasoning behind putting that ...

Actually, maybe the last paragraph of "Be specific" would be better suited for a separate page or section of the faq on suggested voting practices.

The reasoning behind putting that paragraph there is that I want the page to serve two functions:

  • Help people compose good questions.
  • Help people judge how good a question is, and make it easy to suggest improvements to the question author.

Since composing a good question is a matter of writing a question and then evaluating how good it is (then repeating several times), I feel like these two functions are not worth separating. More generally, I feel like advice on how to respond to a violation of a rule should occur very close to the rest of the discussion about that rule.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1394) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1394#Comment_1394 2010-01-03T09:43:26-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ I corrected some typos. "...will not be as good as ... the Wikipedia page." In some cases, that's harsh! But that sentence is saved by "or". I see where you're coming from, ... I corrected some typos.

"...will not be as good as ... the Wikipedia page." In some cases, that's harsh! But that sentence is saved by "or".

I see where you're coming from, but I really want to use "and" there. The point is that for focused questions, an MO answer is quite likely to be better than the Wikipedia page, but for extremely broad questions, it basically can't be because it's unreasonable for somebody to spend more than a few hours writing an answer. I've rewritten it as

Worse, somebody who is too kind and too generous with her time may spend a great deal of time and energy crafting an answer that might not satisfy the asker and that will be just a shadow of a proper survey paper. Such questions can't be reasonably answered in a few hours, even by an expert who knows the "answer."

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davidk01 comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1391) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1391#Comment_1391 2010-01-03T02:38:18-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 davidk01 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/71/ Modulo some typos it looks pretty good. Jonas Meyer comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1390) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1390#Comment_1390 2010-01-03T01:57:55-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jonas Meyer http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/87/ Actually, maybe the last paragraph of &quot;Be specific&quot; would be better suited for a separate page or section of the faq on suggested voting practices. Jonas Meyer comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1389) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1389#Comment_1389 2010-01-03T01:49:37-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Jonas Meyer http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/87/ I think it looks very useful. I don't really have any major feedback to give, but I thought I'd mention these very minor things:In &quot;Be specific&quot;: &quot;...few things worse an ...
In "Be specific": "...few things worse an a..." an -> than

"...you guy's think..." guy's -> guys

"...will not be as good as ... the Wikipedia page." In some cases, that's harsh! But that sentence is saved by "or".

In "Turn it around": "hypothsis" spelling]]>
Anton Geraschenko comments on "How do I ask a good question?" (1388) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/130/how-do-i-ask-a-good-question/?Focus=1388#Comment_1388 2010-01-03T01:15:03-08:00 2018-11-04T13:42:05-08:00 Anton Geraschenko http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/2/ As I mentioned in another thread, I think we should have a page on MO that documents how to craft a good question. If nothing else, I want to have something to link to when I think a question can be ... As I mentioned in another thread, I think we should have a page on MO that documents how to craft a good question. If nothing else, I want to have something to link to when I think a question can be improved. To that end, I've slapped together a (very) rough draft of such a page. Hopefully it's mature enough that it will benefit from some exposure rather than be killed by it.

I've also pasted it into a public wave, which you should be able to find by logging into wave and typing "with:public how to write a good Math Overflow question" into the search box. If you don't have a wave account and want one, let me know. I have 53 invitations.

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