tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (soft questions) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:21:25 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher gilkalai comments on "soft questions" (14133) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14133#Comment_14133 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14133#Comment_14133 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 05:04:49 -0700 gilkalai The question as is has little to do with logic and it could be asked about any academic field. Indeed it is possible to learn from books and eventually start publishing without learning at a university but it is a remote possibility and it is not recommended. The question as asked is arbitrary and uninteresting. I do not understand the logic in the comparison to the memorable title question. The main difference as people have noted is that the momorable title question was of interest to research mathematicians (at least to some of them) and the other question is of no interest. ]]> Andy Putman comments on "soft questions" (14132) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14132#Comment_14132 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14132#Comment_14132 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 19:51:16 -0700 Andy Putman Ben Webster comments on "soft questions" (14131) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14131#Comment_14131 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14131#Comment_14131 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:37:46 -0700 Ben Webster First, let me say (again): MO moderation is not perfectly uniform. That is a fact of life. That's just how having a community moderated website works, and there is no question of having any other moderation model at the moment. In particular, many questions that it would probably be a consensus decision to close slip off the front page without people getting around to closing them. A question not being closed is not an endorsement of it as an acceptable question.

On the other hand, I don't think this pair of questions show the moderating inconsistency you think it does. I don't think Scott actually pinpointed the problem with the first question; the issue is one of being interesting to research mathematicians (or logicians). The first question is ill-posed (does the questioner really mean without learning those subjects or without studying them in university? Do they mean "can" in the sense of no one preventing them from doing so, or in the sense it being something a person can reasonably expect to do). But for almost all variations, the answer is "well, you can do anything you want; it's a free country," but none of these are illuminating. It's just far too vague of a question for the answer to it to tell anyone anything. A question like "What mathematical background does one need to be a research logician" would at least be sensible question (to which one could answer "none" if one wanted, but I suspect some would disagree).

The second is a sensible question; it's clear what question is asking for, and one learns something by reading the answers, though lots of people might not think it's the sort of question MO is intended for. I certainly wouldn't have objected to closing the second question, but I think you can find much worse examples of moderating inconsistency.

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sergei tropanets comments on "soft questions" (14130) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14130#Comment_14130 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14130#Comment_14130 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:11:58 -0700 sergei tropanets And, indeed, logic is not part of mathematics, at least of activity usually called "mathematics" today. Rather, logic amd mathematics have a lot in common. But they are sometimes very different in motivations. The spectrum of logics as I wrote in the comments to the first question intersects with subjects of no interest to most (in sense of number) mathematicians. ]]> Scott Morrison comments on "soft questions" (14129) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14129#Comment_14129 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14129#Comment_14129 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:01:35 -0700 Scott Morrison What sense of equivalence do you have in mind?

The major difference between the two questions is that the first one doesn't make any sense, as it presupposes that "logic" is not part of "mathematics". Or at least that seems to have been the consensus of commenters as to why it ought to be closed.

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sergei tropanets comments on "soft questions" (14128) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14128#Comment_14128 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1016/soft-questions/?Focus=14128#Comment_14128 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:26:45 -0700 sergei tropanets
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/62331/logic-without-philosophy-or-mathematics-closed

and this question:

http://mathoverflow.net/questions/44326/most-memorable-titles

For me, they are at least equivalent. Moreover, the first one seems to me more appropriate (I emphasize here: "more appropriate", not "appropriate"). When MO participant (especially a beginner) sees such differences this certainly creates bad feeling about MO "authorities" and consequently about MO. Would it be meaningful not to close soft questions provided that they are RELATED TO MATH? ]]>