tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:40:53 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Anton Geraschenko comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3217) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3217#Comment_3217 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3217#Comment_3217 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 15:08:40 -0800 Anton Geraschenko Incidentally, I've just had an email exchange with Evgeny Fadeev, one of the people behind OSQA, an open source alternative to SE. He says

I encourage folks in your community who know Python join us - maybe you can spread the word?
We will build the best ever QA product - no doubt.

If you're looking to support an open SE alternative by donating either time or money, OSQA is probably the way to go.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3216) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3216#Comment_3216 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3216#Comment_3216 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:42:05 -0800 Anton Geraschenko @Pete: That's correct. The software currently leaves no audit trail when correcting abuses of the voting system. I've requested a feature to remedy this and to give me finer control over which votes are deleted. On three separate occasions (including this one), I've tracked down the offending votes before they were automatically deleted, and in each case it was an absolutely clear-cut case of abuse of the system. So I doubt I would ever use veto power in these situations, but I agree that an audit trail is extremely desirable.

It seems to me to be another indication of the MO software not working in exactly the way that any of the users (including moderators and administrators) want it to. I hope the founders of MO have begun planning for a future which includes a better platform. I recommend that you consider applying for grant money to build / administrate / house your own hardware and software. I would even consider donating some of my professional funds to this cause.

I respectfully disagree with your recommendation. My experience is that the software and service from Fog Creek are incredibly good, despite occasional things that aren't exactly how I'd like them to be. There have been a number of occasions where I've been delightfully surprised by how the software handles certain situations, Fog Creek has been reasonable in responding to feature requests and is always extremely helpful when I contact them by email, and we've found satisfying workarounds to many of the problems that were not addressed by additional features or bug-fixes. Very occasionally, I've wanted to have direct access to the database, but I've always been able to handle those by emailing the SE team.

Supposing getting money was not a problem, who would build/administrate/house the hardware and software? Part of the appeal of SE is that we can simply pay somebody to do all that stuff that we don't want to do (and probably can't do competently). With all that taken care of, the remaining administration duties can reasonably be handled by a handful of mathematicians who have other things to do too.

Still, a change of platform is definitely in the cards as an option. I do expect that open source versions of SE will be developed (I know of at least one so far). Right now, I don't think it's worth it to use them, but they'll get better and we should certainly keep an eye on them. If eventually a good open alternative is available, we should consider it since it would offer more customizability at a lower price (we'd still have hosting costs). I don't intend to actively bring one of these alternatives up to par (I'm a mathematician, not a programmer), but I applaud anybody who does.

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Pete L. Clark comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3215) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3215#Comment_3215 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3215#Comment_3215 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:55:21 -0800 Pete L. Clark
It seems to me to be another indication of the MO software not working in exactly the way that any of the users (including moderators and administrators) want it to. I hope the founders of MO have begun planning for a future which includes a better platform. I recommend that you consider applying for grant money to build / administrate / house your own hardware and software. I would even consider donating some of my professional funds to this cause.

@Yemon: to be unknighted seems a shame, especially when the knighthood was richly deserved. I found three (more) answers of yours to upvote: I hope the system will not object to this! You are now very close to being Sir Yemon again. ]]>
Jonas Meyer comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3214) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3214#Comment_3214 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3214#Comment_3214 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:11:54 -0800 Jonas Meyer Anton Geraschenko comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3213) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3213#Comment_3213 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3213#Comment_3213 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:09:42 -0800 Anton Geraschenko @Jonas: The software searches for suspicious voting patterns. If it finds a batch of votes that it is very confident are an abuse of the voting system (typically a long string of votes from one user to another user in a very short period of time), it throws them out. I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

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Jonas Meyer comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3212) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3212#Comment_3212 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3212#Comment_3212 Fri, 19 Feb 2010 10:01:33 -0800 Jonas Meyer François G. Dorais comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3209) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3209#Comment_3209 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3209#Comment_3209 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:21:49 -0800 François G. Dorais
Thanks Tooth Fairy! ]]>
Yemon Choi comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3173) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3173#Comment_3173 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3173#Comment_3173 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:11:04 -0800 Yemon Choi Just to say that in light of some emails I've got, everything is clear and above board. (Sorry if being vague fuels speculation, but I'm erring on the side of reticence here.)

@Jonas: I was being somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Also, it could just be my "light at the end of the tunnel turns out to be a train" approach to things ;-)

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Anweshi comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3169) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3169#Comment_3169 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3169#Comment_3169 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:01:23 -0800 Anweshi One night I tried to vote up Pete Clark above 10k. But it didn't work since there was a max limit on the upvotes per day. In any case, he was "knighted" in the same week.

Then I did try to read the gist of each answer, before I upvoted.

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Jonas Meyer comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3167) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3167#Comment_3167 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3167#Comment_3167 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:58:34 -0800 Jonas Meyer
Though I'm curious, how quick was the succession? Was it so quick that it doesn't seem plausible that your posts were read before being upvoted? If so, we could speculate about more convoluted explanations, such as: Maybe someone appreciated one particular post so much that they wanted to give you more upvotes. Pete Clark gave another. There are infinitely many other possible scenarios, so it would be nice if the person would explain.

As for appropriateness: My opinion, which I've seen expressed in some form by at least one moderator (Scott Morrison), is that keeping the frivolity off the main site is one of the best things about meta. I don't worry about frivolity here. ]]>
Yemon Choi comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3165) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3165#Comment_3165 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3165#Comment_3165 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 11:00:22 -0800 Yemon Choi @Andrew: I also had to Google the quote (for some reason, I never watched that much of the show, even on repeat).

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Hailong Dao comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3161) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3161#Comment_3161 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3161#Comment_3161 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:56:23 -0800 Hailong Dao @Andrew: I googled the quote, very amusing (: Since you are already elevated, I can only imagine...

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Andrew Stacey comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3141) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3141#Comment_3141 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3141#Comment_3141 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:37:42 -0800 Andrew Stacey Hmm, so perhaps we do need a meta.meta.mathoverflow.net for questions about what is appropriate to post on meta. Then, of course, we'd need another for that and we'd end up with meta and meta and meta. However, some might suspect that I'm yet another idiot with a tale to tell and that if we went to such extremes the whole thing would be full of words and music, signifying nothing.

If there must be a ruling, can we have it that if the moderators truly think something inappropriate for meta then they promise to take the initiative and contact the parties involved. In the meantime, the rest of us can relax and stop starting each thread with "if this is inappropriate for meta then I apologise ..."!

PS Congratulations to Yemon on his elevation. Although if we're in the mood for quotes, the one that springs to mind is "approbation, elevation and ..." but I shan't finish it.

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Pete L. Clark comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3140) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3140#Comment_3140 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3140#Comment_3140 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:23:42 -0800 Pete L. Clark
I suppose it's possible that someone or ones (not me) looked at the first user page and thought, "Gosh, one more and we'll have a full page of 3000+ rep users. Here goes..."

Anyway, congratulations. I'm sure you will you use your ability to cast votes to close wisely.

P.S.: About the appropriateness of your thread: well, so far no one has complained about anything or anyone. Can we get a ruling on that? :) ]]>
blinowitz comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3138) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3138#Comment_3138 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3138#Comment_3138 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 05:04:28 -0800 blinowitz Yemon Choi comments on "Would a passing Tooth Fairy care to get in touch?" (3135) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3135#Comment_3135 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/226/would-a-passing-tooth-fairy-care-to-get-in-touch/?Focus=3135#Comment_3135 Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:37:04 -0800 Yemon Choi (Apologies for the frivolity, but I just seem to have been 'knighted' to 3000+ by someone doing a batch of +1s in quick succession; and like Glamis made Cawdor I'm a bit curious - even suspicious? - as to just why.)

P.S. if this seems an inappropriate use of meta, let me know and I'll delete.

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