tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed ("Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems") 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla & Feed Publisher Gerry Myerson comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12134) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12134#Comment_12134 2010-12-21T13:57:32-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Gerry Myerson http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/370/ @Harry, the cranks post to math.gm because they are more or less prevented from posting to the other parts of ArXiv but, as WillieWong says, there are good reasons for legitimite stuff to end up ... WillieWong comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12120) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12120#Comment_12120 2010-12-21T07:04:14-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 WillieWong http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/288/ @Harry: I can't answer your first question (other than the fact that such a category exists on arXiv, so why not here). For your second, it is definitely in the negative. Math.GM is appropriate for ... @Harry: I can't answer your first question (other than the fact that such a category exists on arXiv, so why not here). For your second, it is definitely in the negative. Math.GM is appropriate for "easy" results. A fairly elementary result in linear algebra over the field of real/complex numbers can conceivably go there. It is also used fo results from "applications" of mathematics: say the "optimal strategy between waiting for a bus or walking problem", or the "should you run or walk in the rain problem". Unfortunately, it has been somewhat taken over by cranks. But I say that you shouldn't let the 80% of the crap give the rest a bad name.

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sds comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12116) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12116#Comment_12116 2010-12-21T02:34:25-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 sds http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/472/ Original poster ? gilkalai comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12115) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12115#Comment_12115 2010-12-21T02:30:44-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 gilkalai http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/49/ Would it be acceptable to restrict the question to a single open problem? Like "What are the trends towards the Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture?" Once the gossip issue is ... Even listing the "big open problems in mathematics" is much too wide for MO. (We had a debate about a question asking the main open problems in algebraic geometry). Listing the avanues to big open problems might be much larger.

If restricted to a single problem that interests the OP (BTW what OP stands for?) then this may lead to answers which are useful for the OP.]]>
Harry Gindi comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12112) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12112#Comment_12112 2010-12-21T01:41:21-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Harry Gindi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/55/ It boggles my mind why there is a math.gm on mathoverflow... Isn't that the part of the arXiv where they send all of the cranks (non-rhetorical question; I really do not know)? It boggles my mind why there is a math.gm on mathoverflow...

Isn't that the part of the arXiv where they send all of the cranks (non-rhetorical question; I really do not know)?

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theojf comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12108) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12108#Comment_12108 2010-12-20T23:57:29-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 theojf http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/96/ @Yemon: Those are all very good points. In particular, I think they're good reasons to down-vote the question, and I wish the comments to the question had more remarks like your first paragraph, ... @Yemon:

Those are all very good points. In particular, I think they're good reasons to down-vote the question, and I wish the comments to the question had more remarks like your first paragraph, explaining a down-vote, and fewer along the lines of "gossip is bad for MO", since I think the question can be asked without being too gossipy (don't complain, edit the question to emphasize that it's not for gossip!).

I don't think they're good reasons to close it, given the standards that mostly have developed. A case in point: I like the question at hand much more than, say, http://mathoverflow.net/questions/50025/problems-where-we-cant-make-a-canonical-choice-solved-by-looking-at-all-choices . Which is to say, I have nothing against http://mathoverflow.net/questions/50025/, but I don't plan to contribute to it or to read any answers.

Anyway, I don't feel strongly about either question. Like OP, I'm honestly curious to know about distant areas of math from mine, and a good way to hear about them is to ask questions like this one. (Compare all the wonderful popular books, or even more books for undergrads, that take some big trumpeted result like FLT as a way to structure a mathematical story about a number of different areas of research.) But I feel no sadness if the question stays closed.

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Alex Bartel comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12106) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12106#Comment_12106 2010-12-20T22:43:25-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Alex Bartel http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/393/ +1 Yemon, especially the second paragraph. +1 Yemon, especially the second paragraph.

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Ryan Budney comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12104) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12104#Comment_12104 2010-12-20T22:10:27-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Ryan Budney http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/107/ IMO these soft-question and big-list tagged questions don't really add anything to MO. Rather than vote to close them they're the first tags on my ignore list. Yemon Choi comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12103) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12103#Comment_12103 2010-12-20T21:09:36-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Yemon Choi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/81/ Theo: I am rather leery of questions which seem to take as a given the idea that People Do Maths To Solve Big Problems, or that Big Themes in Mathematics are There To Solve Big Problems. Now I'm not ... Theo: I am rather leery of questions which seem to take as a given the idea that People Do Maths To Solve Big Problems, or that Big Themes in Mathematics are There To Solve Big Problems. Now I'm not saying that the original poster necessary believes this, but the question seems to encourage this POV.

Moreover, I tend to the pessimistic view that people's enthusiasm for answering vague questions outstrips their judgment, or their care in reading the secondary literature. The format of MO seems - to me - to allow people to keep coming back to these questions later to add answers of diminishing value.

Lastly: in the comment thread on the original, there is some contrast made with other sciences where "if our research might help create better cancer treatment, then we should trumpet this". I really don't like this as a model for mathematics, since the potential for rewarding chutzpah rather than scholarship seems too high. But then I speak as someone marooned out in the uncool backwaters of pure mathematics, so I guess I have obvious biases...

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theojf comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12100) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12100#Comment_12100 2010-12-20T19:51:22-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 theojf http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/96/ When I first read the question, my reaction was "Finally, an open-ended vague question that I like". After reading the comments here, I have added a paragraph to the original question ... When I first read the question, my reaction was "Finally, an open-ended vague question that I like".

After reading the comments here, I have added a paragraph to the original question urging caution about outing other people. Hopefully this alleviate's Noah's concern; maybe more edits are still necessary. This is (one of) the point(s) of Community Wiki, after all: everyone can improve the question.

I don't understand Andrew Stacey's concern.

In any case, I have cast a second vote to reopen this question. I like this one so much better than most of the CW questions on MathOverflow.

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Ryan Budney comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12088) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12088#Comment_12088 2010-12-20T13:55:08-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Ryan Budney http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/107/ I agree with Andrew, the question is too vague and unfocused for MO. Andrew Stacey comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12084) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12084#Comment_12084 2010-12-20T13:10:44-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Andrew Stacey http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/4/ The OP seems to agree with algori that: Meaningful answers to this would be of great benefit to everyone. The purpose of MO is to provide at least one meaningful answer that is of great benefit ... The OP seems to agree with algori that:

Meaningful answers to this would be of great benefit to everyone.

The purpose of MO is to provide at least one meaningful answer that is of great benefit to the original asker. If this primary purpose gets swamped by "let's try to improve the general lot of (mathematical) man" then it won't survive, and I like that aspect of MO and see no actual benefit in these vague questions.

(That didn't make quite as much sense as it did when the synapses started firing, but I suspect that most people here know my views well enough already to be able to interpolate.)

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algori comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12080) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12080#Comment_12080 2010-12-20T12:07:43-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 algori http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/89/ I've voted to reopen the question; the way I understand it, it is not about rumors, it is about not-so-well-known approaches to well known problems. Meaningful answers to this would be of great ... Noah Snyder comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12079) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12079#Comment_12079 2010-12-20T11:51:10-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Noah Snyder http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/59/ I think this is a good interesting question *for private discussion* but not for MO. Lots of mathematicians are really uncomfortable with their private tentative thoughts being made public.The only ...
The only version of this question that I would support would be asking if there are any good examples of this process *which are in the public record.* For example, if someone wrote a Bulletin article summarizing the progress in some field which discussed how a particular theory was developed with a particular aim, and then you could compare that to what was written in the original papers. Or, for example, I think Alain Connes has said a reasonable amount on the record about developing certain theories with the Riemann hypothesis as the aim.]]>
Yemon Choi comments on ""Technical trends quietly aimed at big open problems"" (12078) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/854/technical-trends-quietly-aimed-at-big-open-problems/?Focus=12078#Comment_12078 2010-12-20T11:41:37-08:00 2018-11-04T23:14:58-08:00 Yemon Choi http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/account/81/ I don't think this question should be re-opened, but it has already attracted one vote to reopen. This thread is to provide whoever voted to re-open a place to argue the case. (I note that people ... I don't think this question should be re-opened, but it has already attracted one vote to reopen. This thread is to provide whoever voted to re-open a place to argue the case. (I note that people seem much happier voting to re-open soft/borderline questions than coming here to argue why they should be re-opened.)

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