tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed ("MO-level") Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:17:05 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (10149) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10149#Comment_10149 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10149#Comment_10149 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:39:32 -0700 Will Jagy
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/44136/what-is-the-average-center-of-six-points-in-space

I suppose I was trying to cover all the bases. ]]>
Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (10148) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10148#Comment_10148 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10148#Comment_10148 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:21:35 -0700 Will Jagy Tsuyoshi Ito comments on ""MO-level"" (10147) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10147#Comment_10147 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10147#Comment_10147 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:18:05 -0700 Tsuyoshi Ito Thank you for your consideration. I cannot find any of these comments, but if I realize one, I will write here or add a comment on the same page as the comment.

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Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (10145) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10145#Comment_10145 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10145#Comment_10145 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 13:03:57 -0700 Will Jagy
Your question would probably be appropriate at one of:
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http://math.stackexchange.com/
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http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Forum/index.php
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http://stackoverflow.com/
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This site is for research-level questions, in mathematics itself, that are likely to have short well-defined answers. "Research-level" means, roughly, questions that might be discussed between two professors, or between Ph.D. students, but not usually between a professor and the typical undergraduate student. It does not include questions at the level of difficulty of undergraduate homework. ]]>
Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (10144) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10144#Comment_10144 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10144#Comment_10144 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 12:59:39 -0700 Will Jagy Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (10143) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10143#Comment_10143 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10143#Comment_10143 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 12:54:58 -0700 Will Jagy I've stopped using it, too many people screamed at me, usually the people who belong least on any research site. I did put in artofproblemsolving and wanted to put in the original stackexchange for programming questions, but I ran out of characters (comments are up to about 600 characters) and ran out of strength.

Sorry about the excess homework questions. I would be surprised to find that anybody gave a crap about a comment of mine, but I am quite happy to delete any of the ones to which you are objecting, and leave out any mention of cstheory in case I ever use it again. ]]>
Tsuyoshi Ito comments on ""MO-level"" (10142) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10142#Comment_10142 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=10142#Comment_10142 Wed, 03 Nov 2010 12:38:13 -0700 Tsuyoshi Ito Dear Will Jagy,

Your question would probably be appropriate at one of:
http://math.stackexchange.com/
http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/
This site is for research-level questions, in mathematics itself, that are likely to have short well-defined answers. "Research-level" means, roughly, questions that might be discussed between two professors, or between graduate students working on Ph.D.'s, but not usually between a professor and the typical undergraduate student. It does not include questions at the level of difficulty of undergraduate homework.

Unfortunately, your message implies an incorrect claim that cstheory.stackexchange.com allows non-research-level questions. Please do not include cstheory.stackexchange.com in a list of the sites suggested for non-research-level questions. I do not know if this is related, but we are currently observing an undesired increase in the ratio of homework questions at cstheory.stackexchange.com. Please see a discussion on meta.cstheory.stackexchange.com for more information on this.

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Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9937) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9937#Comment_9937 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9937#Comment_9937 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:37:57 -0700 Will Jagy
Second point, I managed to shoehorn in the artofproblemsolving site, because of Gjergji's comment at
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/43346/combinatorial-equation
Downvoted because I would like to see less questions like this in the future. On the other hand this question is perfect for artofproblemsolving. – Gjergji Zaimi Oct 24 at 19:01 ]]>
HJRW comments on ""MO-level"" (9931) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9931#Comment_9931 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9931#Comment_9931 Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:22:11 -0700 HJRW Will, I just stole your nice wording (and modified it slightly). I hope you don't mind!

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Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9689) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9689#Comment_9689 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9689#Comment_9689 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 18:47:24 -0700 Will Jagy
Your question would probably be appropriate at one of:
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http://math.stackexchange.com/
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http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/
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This site is for research-level questions, in mathematics itself, that are likely to have short well-defined answers. "Research-level" means, roughly, questions that might be discussed between two professors, or between graduate students working on Ph.D.'s, but not usually between a professor and the typical undergraduate student. It does not include questions at the level of difficulty of undergraduate homework. ]]>
Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9603) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9603#Comment_9603 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9603#Comment_9603 Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:45:34 -0700 Will Jagy http://mathoverflow.net/questions/42139/estimating-direction-from-a-distribution-on-a-circle/42342#42342 ]]> Ben Webster comments on ""MO-level"" (9602) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9602#Comment_9602 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9602#Comment_9602 Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:05:52 -0700 Ben Webster Well, yes, I'll admit, I was abusing notation a bit, but I could think of no other phrase that encapsulated the absurdity of that exchange. It had a certain "wait, did I really just read that" quality to it.

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Scott Morrison comments on ""MO-level"" (9591) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9591#Comment_9591 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9591#Comment_9591 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 19:41:47 -0700 Scott Morrison Sorry -- I think that Ben used "jumped the shark" in a slightly unconventional way, as in "reaching a certain level of ridiculousness", without necessarily "going bad", and I reused the phrase as a memorable pointer to the particular incident, compounding the confusion.

The point remains -- if someone bothered to analyze whether various prominent mathematicians on mathoverflow registered before or after asking their first question, I'm convinced it would be clearer that such barriers are dangerous.

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WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9590) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9590#Comment_9590 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9590#Comment_9590 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:17:15 -0700 WillieWong Unfortunately, Gerhard's suggestion likely will require modifications to the underlying software (to be able to tell that the suggested similar questions were closed before), which I don't think will happen soon. Otherwise it (if can be implemented) sounds like a good technical solution.

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grp comments on ""MO-level"" (9589) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9589#Comment_9589 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9589#Comment_9589 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:38:09 -0700 grp
Gerhard "For Sale: Cheap, Quick Solutions" Paseman, 2010.10.14 ]]>
Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9587) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9587#Comment_9587 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9587#Comment_9587 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 13:06:25 -0700 Will Jagy
Mariano, I have no objection to that or similar language going into the FAQ, but the experience with this idiot:
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/41826/the-importance-of-polyhedral-theory-closed
leaves me wanting to have an immediate link to paste in a comment, that guy never figured out anything anyone said. He wrote to me, his problems included serious trouble with English along with mutiple barriers to receiving messages from others into his little brain. ]]>
Harry Gindi comments on ""MO-level"" (9583) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9583#Comment_9583 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9583#Comment_9583 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 12:16:36 -0700 Harry Gindi I hope that you realize that Vaughan has not returned since he asked that question...

Also, even after reading the article, I don't see how MO has jumped the shark.

If we can get Grothendieck to start visiting, then MO will have jumped the shark!

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Scott Morrison comments on ""MO-level"" (9582) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9582#Comment_9582 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9582#Comment_9582 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:41:19 -0700 Scott Morrison @Harry: if they weren't objections last time to restricting unregistered users to answering, rather than asking, questions, then it's only because I assumed other people would be objecting and didn't bother. I'm sure I can dig up more examples, but we would never have jumped the shark if Vaughan had had to register.

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Mariano comments on ""MO-level"" (9575) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9575#Comment_9575 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9575#Comment_9575 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:28:49 -0700 Mariano The text could be added to the FAQ, so that you need only write "Please see http://mo.org/faq#relevant-section".

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Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9574) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9574#Comment_9574 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9574#Comment_9574 Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:17:49 -0700 Will Jagy
Your question would be appropriate at: http://math.stackexchange.com/
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Harry Gindi comments on ""MO-level"" (9558) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9558#Comment_9558 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9558#Comment_9558 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:04:43 -0700 Harry Gindi If I remember correctly, there were no objections (the last time we had this discussion) to only allowing unregistered users to post answers. This seems like it would pretty much get rid of most of the nonsense/homework/garbage.

The problem was that it was (and still is) not currently possible to do this through the SE software (and therefore it would have to be hacked).

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WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9555) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9555#Comment_9555 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9555#Comment_9555 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:55:43 -0700 WillieWong @Will: yes, my e-mail is publicly available in several different ways. Except google, who thinks I am a 1940s basketball star. Thank you, as always, for the offer.

Thank you, Gerhard. All confusion had been cleared. Like Will Jagy says: no actual disagreements. Crisis with infinity (this one, not the set theory one) averted.

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Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9554) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9554#Comment_9554 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9554#Comment_9554 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:25:35 -0700 Will Jagy grp comments on ""MO-level"" (9553) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9553#Comment_9553 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9553#Comment_9553 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:19:54 -0700 grp
I read some posts earlier. I reacted to them, a little more strongly than usual. I followed up with
a later post, trying to clarify what was behind the reaction, and then another post, responding to
a question of yours.

In the response to your question, I decided to speak to the possibility that I did something, namely
get something from other posts that was not intended (misreading posts before your question).
The possibly mistaken misreading refers to my misreading of the posts before your question.

If there are other misreadings going on in this thread, I have yet to say anything substantial
about those misreadings.

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WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9552) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9552#Comment_9552 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9552#Comment_9552 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:53:16 -0700 WillieWong Gerhard: the possibly mistaken misreading that you don't apologize for, do you mean your possible misreading of previous posts, or my possible misreading of your post (on the John Tate point)? The meaning of the clause after the colon depends on what you mean there.

(I'm not trying to argue or anything. I am just trying to figure out what you want to say. I think you meant the first of the two options, but the phrasing is a bit ambiguous.)

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grp comments on ""MO-level"" (9551) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9551#Comment_9551 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9551#Comment_9551 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:36:07 -0700 grp
I don't apologize for the possibly mistaken misreading: it is part of my point. I do apologize for how I handled it in an earlier post ( but prefer to leave the post to emphasize the point ) . I doubt that John Tate needs an apology from me, but if I have offended him, I am ready to offer one.

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WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9547) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9547#Comment_9547 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9547#Comment_9547 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:58:11 -0700 WillieWong For questions blatantly not "MO-level" (and here I use that blasted phrase again), or those whose existence does not contribute to the mission of MO, I would perfer if all other tags are removed so as not to pollute the tag-space. Then people actually refining their searches using tags will not have to deal with questions that clearly won't address their problem.

Thanks for doing that.

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Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9543) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9543#Comment_9543 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9543#Comment_9543 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:34:48 -0700 Will Jagy Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9542) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9542#Comment_9542 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9542#Comment_9542 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:31:09 -0700 Will Jagy Will Jagy comments on ""MO-level"" (9541) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9541#Comment_9541 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9541#Comment_9541 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:24:15 -0700 Will Jagy WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9540) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9540#Comment_9540 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9540#Comment_9540 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:21:15 -0700 WillieWong Yemon: oh. I misunderstood your meaning when you used the word "offset". I thought you meant "create an offset" or "cancel". (As in, say, the money people donate to offset their carbon emissions.)

Evidently we agree on the actual point. I'll remove that tangential edit above for clarity.

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Yemon Choi comments on ""MO-level"" (9537) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9537#Comment_9537 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9537#Comment_9537 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:27:39 -0700 Yemon Choi Willie: I think I may have explained myself poorly (brain is currently fried after a post-lecture coffee/adrenaline comedown). What I meant to say is that although one might be annoyed by people not paying enough attention to things like the FAQ, or being a bit bumptious (that "what is the point of polyhedra"-esque question, for instance) one should abide by the rules of basic civility. Which I think is what you were saying, although perhaps I have misunderstood.

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WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9535) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9535#Comment_9535 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9535#Comment_9535 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:08:45 -0700 WillieWong I actually don't think the phrase "MO-level" is impolite. It may be elitist, but I dislike using it for a reason similar to that Pete Clark brought up (and which Nate talked about in another thread) that it conveys absolutely no information whatsoever. Whereas the phrase "research-level" does not necessary have a definite meaning for amateurs, it at least establish a (possibly quite arbitrary) criterion for inclusion. With "MO-level", the logic is circular: "your question should not appear on MO because it should not appear on MO."

Whether or not we ever reach a conclusion on this elitist/politeness business, I think the phrase "MO-level" should be eliminated for at least the argument above.

Now, about politeness: it is a lot easier to offend on the internet. And it is also a lot easier to take offence on the internet. This is of course due to the oft-observed triviality that the textual nature of the communication eliminates contextual clues, which we sometimes try to reinstate by inclusion of smileys. Since this cuts both ways, I think, in general, barring overt rudeness, it is hard to establish a "suitable level of politeness", especially considering that individuals of different generations tend to have different perceptions on what is and is not appropriate to say on the internet.

Which is all just my way of saying that I disagree with the premise that MathOverflow should have a "polite interface" with the public, where "polite" is taken to mean "smooth" or "showing regard" or "deferential to". I agree, however, that we can be at least "polite" in the sense of being "civil". Which means that while I find it unacceptable to say a question is too "simple" or "easy" or "trivial" for MO, I also don't see it necessary to sugarcoat our message that MO is for discussing mathematics one is likely to encounter in one's post-graduate mathematical education and thereafter.

(An aside to finish this longish post: @Gerhard Paseman: you do mean the "Mr. or Ms." in a tongue-in-cheek way, right?)

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Yemon Choi comments on ""MO-level"" (9534) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9534#Comment_9534 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9534#Comment_9534 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:58:57 -0700 Yemon Choi I agree with Scott and David's remarks. The annoyance of having to deal with people who DON'T READ THE MANUAL should be offset against basic civility. (Though FWIW, I took Steve's screengrab as tongue-in-cheek, as he seems to have intended it.)

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Emerton comments on ""MO-level"" (9533) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9533#Comment_9533 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9533#Comment_9533 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:53:43 -0700 Emerton Dear Gerhard,

Tate won the Abel prize earlier this year. I think that people can be justifiably proud that an Abel prize winner has participated on MO (and that Fields medalists also participate); it is (not the only, but one) measure of success for the site, and it is reasonable to try to think about what aspects of the site contributed to this success, and (at least) be sure not to damage those aspects too much.

Regards,

Matthew

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grp comments on ""MO-level"" (9531) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9531#Comment_9531 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9531#Comment_9531 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:19:12 -0700 grp of a public service, in that it is a tool to aid in research which,
in some sense, is to benefit the public, perhaps in future generations if not today.
At the very least, MathOverflow should have a polite interface with the public.

It is not the elitism to which I object; it is the lack of
sensitivity that I perceive. I shall confess to (and apologize
for) the overreaction in my previous post; a clearer posting
would be: How do we, with politeness and sensitivity, tell
some people to go away? Whatever is chosen, the term "MO-level"
should be left out. I'll accept that (Prof./Dr./Mr. or Ms.) Tate
is a welcome addition to MathOverflow, but is not relevant to the
original intent of the thread, as I see it. Also, in spite of any
good intentions from the other posters, something struck me
as wrong in introducing Tate in the way it did. That does not
excuse my wording, however.

Gerhard "Needs a Good Breakfast Today" Paseman, 2010.10.13 ]]>
Ryan Budney comments on ""MO-level"" (9528) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9528#Comment_9528 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9528#Comment_9528 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:52:47 -0700 Ryan Budney grp comments on ""MO-level"" (9527) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9527#Comment_9527 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9527#Comment_9527 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:28:49 -0700 grp especially with the idea of name-dropping and "including the right people."
I was going to suggest, in accordance with the first post,
that turning away people who did not fit the purpose of MathOverflow
should indeed be done with sensitivity, something that the phrase
"MO-level" does not convey. Given how this thread has turned out,
I am now wondering "why bother being sensitive" ?

Gerhard "Peoples, Behaviours, or Ideals:Choose" Paseman, 2010.10.13 ]]>
Ryan Budney comments on ""MO-level"" (9526) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9526#Comment_9526 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9526#Comment_9526 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:02:30 -0700 Ryan Budney
Perhaps an alternative would be to raise the bar for what it takes to ask questions. Giving answers would still be open to all. So that wouldn't stop people like Tate. But to ask a question we could have a naggy pop-up perhaps with questions that you get to avoid only when you're past a certain rep. So Tate would presumably never experience this, since he'd get sufficient rep on his 1st answer. ]]>
Steve Huntsman comments on ""MO-level"" (9525) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9525#Comment_9525 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9525#Comment_9525 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:54:16 -0700 Steve Huntsman Mariano comments on ""MO-level"" (9524) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9524#Comment_9524 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9524#Comment_9524 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:24:00 -0700 Mariano @Ryan, to use a recent example: Tate was not beyond the rep level (!!)

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David Speyer comments on ""MO-level"" (9523) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9523#Comment_9523 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9523#Comment_9523 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 07:20:18 -0700 David Speyer Scott Carnahan comments on ""MO-level"" (9521) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9521#Comment_9521 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9521#Comment_9521 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:01:50 -0700 Scott Carnahan I agree with Mariano. I think we should be as welcoming as possible to mathematicians who haven't used this site before, and a good way to do this is to remove as many hurdles as we reasonably can. I don't think the rate of low-level questions is substantially worse than it was 1 year ago, but if we reach some kind of crisis state, you should feel free to contact the moderators.

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Cam McLeman comments on ""MO-level"" (9520) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9520#Comment_9520 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9520#Comment_9520 Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:01:39 -0700 Cam McLeman Ryan Budney comments on ""MO-level"" (9518) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9518#Comment_9518 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9518#Comment_9518 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:37:20 -0700 Ryan Budney Kevin Lin comments on ""MO-level"" (9516) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9516#Comment_9516 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9516#Comment_9516 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:44:44 -0700 Kevin Lin Mariano: how about cohomology computations? ;-)

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Mariano comments on ""MO-level"" (9515) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9515#Comment_9515 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9515#Comment_9515 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:45:21 -0700 Mariano Steve, I would probably stop doing things that required me to take online calculus tests to participate...

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Steve Huntsman comments on ""MO-level"" (9514) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9514#Comment_9514 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9514#Comment_9514 Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:41:06 -0700 Steve Huntsman Pete L. Clark comments on ""MO-level"" (9437) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9437#Comment_9437 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9437#Comment_9437 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:10:47 -0700 Pete L. Clark @Mark: Thanks for pointing that out. I realize now that I had read Nate Eldredge's post, and it has been rattling around in my head ever since. As we mathematicians sometimes say, I acknowledge his priority. :)

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Mark Meckes comments on ""MO-level"" (9434) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9434#Comment_9434 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9434#Comment_9434 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 06:16:21 -0700 Mark Meckes I think Pete's absolutely right. Nate Eldredge recently made a similar point in this thread.

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WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9431) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9431#Comment_9431 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9431#Comment_9431 Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:57:07 -0700 WillieWong Guys, as a slightly tangential comment, can I make a gentle and selfish request of the people who have voting power?

If you are the person to cast the final closing vote on a question for the reason that it is not MO-level (or in general for being of no interest to research mathematicians at all), would you also be so kind to re-tag the question to [tag-removed] so those of us who filter that tag can benefit from your efforts?

I know Yemon and I (and possibly some others) have been removing tags for such obviously inappropriate questions when we see them on the front page, but this will of course bump them a little bit and cause them to stay longer on the front page. It would help if the re-tagging happens closer to when the question is closed. Thanks!

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Ryan Budney comments on ""MO-level"" (9430) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9430#Comment_9430 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9430#Comment_9430 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 23:23:54 -0700 Ryan Budney Pete L. Clark comments on ""MO-level"" (9429) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9429#Comment_9429 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9429#Comment_9429 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:48:02 -0700 Pete L. Clark I have been contemplating this issue for a little while, and I am coming around to thinking that the average person who posts a non-research level question to MO does not know what we mean when we say "this site is for research-level questions", i.e., they do not know the concept of a research-level math question.

Note that I said the concept, not just the terminology: if you asked them to describe to you what kind (or level, or whatever) of problems a research mathematician works on, they would either have no idea or very mistaken ideas.

So I don't see an easy fix here: we are trying to tell people that this site is for math questions at a level beyond that which they have any prior experience or real conception that math questions can be. (Now there's an elitist sentiment! But it seems to be true.)

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Mariano comments on ""MO-level"" (9426) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9426#Comment_9426 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9426#Comment_9426 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:00:54 -0700 Mariano Willie: Oh, I don't mind the elitism! But «... your question does not fit into the scope of MathOverflow» is much gentler---I tend to write it along that lin, so I know it is a bit painful because it ends up being long :)

Deane, I like that one too. I don't think it is impolite. Neither is talking about «MO-level»!

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Gerry Myerson comments on ""MO-level"" (9422) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9422#Comment_9422 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9422#Comment_9422 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:32:19 -0700 Gerry Myerson deane.yang comments on ""MO-level"" (9421) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9421#Comment_9421 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9421#Comment_9421 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:48:46 -0700 deane.yang WillieWong comments on ""MO-level"" (9419) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9419#Comment_9419 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9419#Comment_9419 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 14:49:44 -0700 WillieWong I don't really see the problem with individuals being (more) elitist (than others). It is not particularly rude, and I doubt many of those questions come from people who have given us the courtesy of reading the FAQ. That said...

I usually don't write "MO-level". I think the wording I prefer is that "... your question does not fit into the scope of MathOverflow." Or sometimes "this problem is ill-suited for MathOverflow".

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Mariano comments on ""MO-level"" (9415) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9415#Comment_9415 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/698/molevel/?Focus=9415#Comment_9415 Wed, 06 Oct 2010 13:57:39 -0700 Mariano Maybe we should try to use more neutral wordings to deflect questions which are not "MO-level", as "MO-level" sounds a bit elitist?! :)

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