tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (LaTeX in titles) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:45:54 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Anton Geraschenko comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14431) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14431#Comment_14431 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14431#Comment_14431 Sat, 07 May 2011 10:26:25 -0700 Anton Geraschenko I'm convinced. Thanks Andrew and an_mo_user.

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Andrew Stacey comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14430) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14430#Comment_14430 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14430#Comment_14430 Sat, 07 May 2011 10:10:32 -0700 Andrew Stacey Anton: What an_mo_user said.

Shogun70: I'm in Norway, using Firefox on Linux. Right now, I'm using FF4.0.1 at home; in my office I have FF3.something. I'm happy to run any diagnostic tests you want to help. If you want to contact me directly, you can find my email fairly easily: I'm in the mathematics department at NTNU (Trondheim). My homepage is linked from my MO user page.

(You should probably know at the outset that I think that MathJaX is an amazing piece of software, but I consider it to be the wrong solution to the problem of putting maths on the internet and that conversion to MathML server-side is the right solution. I think that MathJaX's role is to get everyone used to seeing maths on the internet in a decent form (ie not as images) as an easier route to getting MathML more widespread. With that in mind, what I regard as "painfully slow" might be "reasonable" for anyone else. I compare it with raw MathML which is, of course, much faster. But as any way of getting maths on the internet is better than none, and the general question of doing so is something that interests me greatly, I'm more than happy to help you improve MathJaX if I can.)

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shogun70 comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14428) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14428#Comment_14428 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14428#Comment_14428 Sat, 07 May 2011 05:23:20 -0700 shogun70
I am involved in the MathJax project and I'd like more info on your painfully slow experience of MathJax.
In particular, what browser, version, add-ons and operating-system do you use?
- IE8 has a significant performance issue that can't be worked around in script, see http://www.mathjax.org/resources/faqs/#ie8-slow
- Safari and Chrome should be fast and responsive, Firefox a little slower

If MathJax is slow for you in other browsers then could you divulge what country you are in.
I'm in Australia and Math.SX and MO both seem reasonably fast to me (I generally use Chrome).

Not that any of this necessarily relates to the discussion at hand.

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an_mo_user comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14427) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14427#Comment_14427 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14427#Comment_14427 Fri, 06 May 2011 18:00:26 -0700 an_mo_user What Andrew Stacey said.

Regarding the question of default (admittedly I am biased, but I believe there is some objective component to it):

  1. The likelihood that one has problems (slow or something else) with MathJax is I'd say typically higher when one visits the page from a computer/browser one does not frequently use for this purpose, say some computer in some internet cafe, library, whereever, and on which one could not or did not change the (system dependent) default.

  2. For first time visitors -- who happen to have, but might not yet even know, a MathJax problem -- it could also be an advantage if the frontpage definitely works, with access to the FAQs and so on. As opposed to a situation where you visit a new site and the first thing that happens is something 'strange' you might likely not understand.

Thus, I think it is good that the default is, as it is now, 'off'.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14426) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14426#Comment_14426 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14426#Comment_14426 Fri, 06 May 2011 15:54:49 -0700 Anton Geraschenko @Andrew: it's been forever since you emphatically denounced some possibility I brought up. :-)

The question here is whether the default should be that the home page is rendered. There would still be the option to turn off the rendering through a cookie.

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Andrew Stacey comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14425) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14425#Comment_14425 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14425#Comment_14425 Fri, 06 May 2011 14:10:05 -0700 Andrew Stacey Scott, if you tell me what to do then I'll run whatever tests you want.

Given that the problem also occurs on Maths-SX, I'd say that it's a general MathJaX problem than specific to MO. (I certainly notice the problem more on Maths-SX, but that might be due to other factors.)

(insert my standard rant about MathJaX being the wrong solution to the problem here)

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Scott Morrison comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14424) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14424#Comment_14424 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14424#Comment_14424 Fri, 06 May 2011 13:19:37 -0700 Scott Morrison We should think about speeding up MathJax generally. @Andrew, can you determine if it's the load time for the MathJax scripts, or something else? If it's the load time, we can put more effort into serving MathJax from a faster server.

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Andrew Stacey comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14423) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14423#Comment_14423 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14423#Comment_14423 Fri, 06 May 2011 11:17:39 -0700 Andrew Stacey No! Do not make it render on the main page. The main page at Maths-SX is almost unreadable because of this "feature".

You forget that not all of your users live in California. Even on my high-speed internet connection in my office, MathJaX is painfully slow. When I look at the main page of Maths-SX or MO, I just want to get enough information to know whether or not to click on a question. So I don't want to have to wait for the maths to render (and remember that while it is processing, the maths is hidden from view).

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14421) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14421#Comment_14421 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14421#Comment_14421 Fri, 06 May 2011 08:31:25 -0700 Anton Geraschenko Should the default value of that preference be switched? In other words, are there more people who are annoyed by LaTeX rendering on the home page, or more people annoyed by it not rendering?

I prefer to have it render. Then again, I can also imagine an argument if LaTeX in titles rendered by default, then people would use more math in titles, making it more annoying to watch MathJax process the home page again (this was why rendering in titles was originally "turned off").

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Zev Chonoles comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14419) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14419#Comment_14419 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14419#Comment_14419 Fri, 06 May 2011 06:51:26 -0700 Zev Chonoles If you go to your user page and click on the "prefs" tab, there is an option to render math on all pages. As it mentions there, this is only a cookie, so you will have to do it for each browser / computer you use.

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John Bentin comments on "LaTeX in titles" (14418) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14418#Comment_14418 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/1040/latex-in-titles/?Focus=14418#Comment_14418 Fri, 06 May 2011 06:12:28 -0700 John Bentin