tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (Boy,I walked right into this one............) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:23:32 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher AndrewL comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11210) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11210#Comment_11210 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11210#Comment_11210 Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:29:40 -0800 AndrewL @sigfpe Hold it. I'm an ogre,not a troll. If you're going to insult me,do it properly.

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sigfpe comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11177) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11177#Comment_11177 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11177#Comment_11177 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 14:19:06 -0800 sigfpe @ryan Every second a troll spends ranting in meta.mathoverflow, they're not ranting in mathoverflow.

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AndrewL comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11166) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11166#Comment_11166 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11166#Comment_11166 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:38:36 -0800 AndrewL @ Qiaochu The point has been made. I'm gone for now.

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Qiaochu Yuan comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11164) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11164#Comment_11164 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11164#Comment_11164 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:29:07 -0800 Qiaochu Yuan +1 Ryan. I do not see why we need to keep having the same conversations over and over.

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Ryan Budney comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11163) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11163#Comment_11163 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11163#Comment_11163 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:55:53 -0800 Ryan Budney
I'm not sure how many of these cycles we've been through but there's been enough so that people are simply tired of the endlessness of it. Your recent comments were bickering about non-mathematical things. You've been told this before several times: keep in mind the people on this forum by-and-large have hundreds of students, grad students, administrative work, their research, travel, families, conferences to organize, papers to referee, letters to write, grants to apply for, people to host, emergencies to deal with, etc. We're not here to manage people who consistently and deliberately ignore the norms of the forum. If you don't comply with the rules, you get booted, that's all there is. ]]>
sean tilson comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11162) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11162#Comment_11162 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11162#Comment_11162 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 13:18:37 -0800 sean tilson
For the record, I think there was an answer that recieved more downvotes than yours Andrew, and in fact you were involved in the comments on that answer. A long time ago one of Tyler Laweson's questions about a homotopy first course received "strange" answer. The answer was meant in good faith but I think most people who saw it did not think it was a very good answer or that it was in good faith. That question could also be interpreted as being very objective and that the answers were of the forms of opinions just as in the question you are talking about. I think in both instances, and maybe I am wrong about this entirely, that it is good to remember that opinions have value in mathematics and that maybe that is what was being voted on. While the answer to Tyler's question was in some large sense an opinion, it seemed to have less merit than the other opinions/answers that were offered. In this situation, that of opinions, the person giving the opinion seems relevant. Perhaps that is unfair, but ultimately I don't care about an opinion someone taking first semester abstract algebra has on possible approaches to the Goldbach conjecture.

The second one is that there have been several times you have posed such questions on Meta looking for support from "the silent majority." Perhaps I am misinterpreting this post or others, and I apologize if that is the case. In as much as you look for such support you don't seem to find it here. In fact, you find quite the opposite. It seems that everyone agrees with what has already been said to you several times. Their/our main criticism seems to be that your posts are overly opinionated and argumentative. You are not always an expert on things that you comment on or talk about. I found your comment on http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1890/describe-a-topic-in-one-sentence/47549#47549 dissappointing. It sounded immature and in fact was off the mark.

This is not an attempt to bait you into anything further on meta, I think your idea to leave things alone for a bit is a good idea. I understand the urge to respond, so please email me at first initial last name @wayne.edu if you want to talk further about it.

Right now this is the only way I feel comfortable contacting you, if you want I can delete the post after you email me.

with hope,
Sean ]]>
AndrewL comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11147) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11147#Comment_11147 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11147#Comment_11147 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 00:41:44 -0800 AndrewL @Ryan, Alex: I'll leave meta alone for awhile after responding to these.

I DID read critism and take it carefully and I meant what I said a week ago. But this was an unusual case-the question was by it's very nature, subjective and opinionated. I made the reasonable-but VERY erronous-conclusion it would be "safe" for me and that I couldn't break my "probation".

"Describe a topic in one sentence." (I'm really paraphrasing, but that was the gist of the thread.)

Would either of you consider this an "objective", research oriented question in the classical MO sense?

I say no.It was asking for an informed opinion-from the mathematically informed on MO-on how they personally percieve a particular subarea of mathematics and to sum thier perception up in one sentence.

And I gave what I thought were 2 very reasonable attempts to describe 2 areas of mathematics: combinatorics and probability. While I think the objection to my statement about probability was fair,I was frankly shocked by the reaction to my combinatorics statement. 2 fairly respected combinatorialists-John W.Kennedy and Christopher Hanusa-both have expressed the agreement to me that combinatorics is classically concieved as a finitary subject.

("Probability is real analysis with the concept of an expectation." This is really true of continuous random variables only,of course.You could get cute and say combinatorics is analysis on finite sets,but that's a reach at best........)

The downvote frankly shocked me-and the "piling on" with no restraint seemed almost comical to me. I should have left it there,you're both absolutely right about that. But honestly-I was just flabbergasted and couldn't keep my big mouth shut.

And here we are.

Someone else in here told me "don't play in traffic" on MO. I seem to have gotten myself run over again.

And lastly,for the record, Alex-there's nothing delibrate or malicious about me coming back in here and screwing up. I don't like being told what to do,never have. And as a result, I shoot off my mouth when I shouldn't a lot of the time. I think I've been very polite and not rude at all-I've tried very hard to maintain proper social decorum even when I disagree. But it's not good enough because this isn't my site and I DON'T make the rules. And that makes me wrong no matter how I try and justify it.

And for that reason, once again-I apologize to the room. And in particular to anyone who may have found me "rude".

Farewell for now.

Andrew L.

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Ryan Budney comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11146) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11146#Comment_11146 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11146#Comment_11146 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:56:33 -0800 Ryan Budney Alex Bartel comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11145) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11145#Comment_11145 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11145#Comment_11145 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 23:33:33 -0800 Alex Bartel

to ask everyone if getting suspended for something like this is policy you really want here.

Since you are soliciting personal opinions: yes, absolutely.

By the way, you have no grounds to be talking about ill will here. People have given you repeated friendly advice and warning that your behaviour is alienating. I don't believe anyone on here has been as immune to repeated negative feedback from the community as you. Only 2 days ago, on the occasion of a comment that made for fairly unpleasant reading, I politely reminded you of your very excellent plan to limit your contributions on MO to mathematics. The upvotes on my comment indicate that it reflects the sentiments of a measurable part of the MO community. Instead of heeding it, you continue in the same vein. I don't see how you have any reason to be surprised by the suspension.

Indeed, the explanation that you are purposefully provoking these incidents strikes me as almost as plausible as the possibility that you cannot help it. And if the former is the case, then the suspension is even more justified, since such behaviour is called "spamming" and the posts should be flagged, instead of downvoted. Please don't bother to argue now, since the only thing that will convince me personally one way or another will be your future actions.

That and my increasing frustration with MO.

I don't think that that's a valid reason to post on meta. You will have to deal with your frustration yourself, without taking up other peoples' time. Ultimately, the frustration is only within yourself and will not be changed by anyone but you.

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AndrewL comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11144) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11144#Comment_11144 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11144#Comment_11144 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:51:38 -0800 AndrewL I guess to ask everyone if getting suspended for something like this is policy you really want here.

That and my increasing frustration with MO. There was no reason for this and even less reason for the latent animosity in here for me.

That and the very real worry of making enemies over such trivial circumstances in the mathematical community.

I keep saying I'm going to leave for good. But I just can't bring myself to do it. And I'm tired of shooting myself in the foot simply by not agreeing and nodding my head yes when I'm given a shower in here.

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Ryan Budney comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11143) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11143#Comment_11143 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11143#Comment_11143 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:38:43 -0800 Ryan Budney AndrewL comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11142) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11142#Comment_11142 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11142#Comment_11142 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:34:47 -0800 AndrewL @Ryan I didn't think my statement deserved the ripping it got and I thought moderators were supposed to prevent that kind of "piling on". THAT was my point,is all.

-8 points.I don't know if anyone in here besides me ever got that kind of downvoting on one statement. A statement that was debatable at the very worst.

I asked Scott to remove the post entirely.

And notice,I'm not fighting the suspension.

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Ryan Budney comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11141) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11141#Comment_11141 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11141#Comment_11141 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:31:49 -0800 Ryan Budney AndrewL comments on "Boy,I walked right into this one............" (11140) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11140#Comment_11140 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/803/boyi-walked-right-into-this-one/?Focus=11140#Comment_11140 Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:22:37 -0800 AndrewL I have to laugh at this latest suspension. I just have to laugh because this was an opinion based question-and I got suspended this time for very nicely voicing my opinion along with everyone else.

Nah,there's no personal animosity towards me in here,of course not...................

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