tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (Not quite definitive answers) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:52:44 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Todd Trimble comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10723) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10723#Comment_10723 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10723#Comment_10723 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:53:07 -0800 Todd Trimble Anton Geraschenko comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10700) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10700#Comment_10700 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10700#Comment_10700 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:26:30 -0800 Anton Geraschenko

I think more of an issue are completely definitive answers that are left "unchecked". There are a non-trivial number of questions which have thorough and incontrovertible answers, but, for some reason or other (the OP never came back to look at the responses) are not marked "answered".

Why is this more of an issue? The check mark is a nice way to close the social loop and/or indicate that the question has been answered to the complete satisfaction of the asker, but an answer doesn't have to be accepted for everybody else to see it. Since the answers are sorted by votes, definitive/clever/clear answers will be at the top anyway. You should worry about people not voting on answers much more than you should worry about people not accepting them.

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WillieWong comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10691) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10691#Comment_10691 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10691#Comment_10691 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:51:36 -0800 WillieWong @Todd: that's Hanlon's razor. So yes, it should be, and in fact is, a well-known saying, where "well-known" is defined the same way "closed-form" is in Mathematics, i.e. somebody gave it a name.

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Todd Trimble comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10690) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10690#Comment_10690 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10690#Comment_10690 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 04:48:46 -0800 Todd Trimble
Okay, never mind the reason then -- I'm still interested. ]]>
Gerry Myerson comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10688) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10688#Comment_10688 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10688#Comment_10688 Tue, 16 Nov 2010 03:55:28 -0800 Gerry Myerson Todd Trimble comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10686) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10686#Comment_10686 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10686#Comment_10686 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 22:37:23 -0800 Todd Trimble
I'd be interested to hear more discussion about this issue and what might be done about it. My own feeling is that it often happens for less than honorable reasons (e.g., spite). ]]>
snuffleupagus comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10679) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10679#Comment_10679 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10679#Comment_10679 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:38:04 -0800 snuffleupagus
As to the particular question, since the answer was marked "community wiki" I think it's safe to assume the poster doesn't care about any reputation that he or she might accrue. I can't really help you as to the identity of Snuffleapugus, except to note that nowadays whenever I answer a question I use a completely random name and a random email address; this forces the mathematics to stand on its own, and at the same time allows me to operate outside the ridiculous reputation system while still contributing to MO. So the best way to work out who I am is to guess the dozen or so other random usernames I have answered questions as, and triangulate from there. ]]>
Scott Morrison comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10674) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10674#Comment_10674 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10674#Comment_10674 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 13:13:46 -0800 Scott Morrison This has come up a number of times in the past, with the consensus that if you want to "reward" members outside of the usual scope of the software, you should leave comments to that effect!

"+1: Great answer, even if it doesn't fully answer the question." "+1: I'm not going to accept this, as it's not complete answer, but everyone should vote this up because it's very helpful." "I've accepted this answer as it seems it's the best we're going to do for now."

etc.

I think it's perfectly okay to accept an incomplete answer. Your main consideration should be: "Will the page be more or less useful to future readers if I pin this answer to the top of the list, and indicate that it's the most important thing to read?"

Don't think of it as a referee would: you're not stamping your approval of the completeness or correctness of the answer. Instead, you're trying to make the page helpful for people trying to learn from it. (Of course, often, and ideally, these goals coincide.)

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WillieWong comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10668) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10668#Comment_10668 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10668#Comment_10668 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:20:12 -0800 WillieWong Two comments:

(a) if you are the question poser, you are free to use whatever metric in assigning credit. On one end of the spectrum you can even "accept" Snuffleapagus's anwer while leaving a comment that it doesn't solve the original question. On the other end you can just do nothing. In the middle you can encourage other people to vote it up. But remember that the design philosophy of the software underlying MO is that "one user one vote", and crowd sources the decision of good answers, while giving the question poser an effective veto power to accept an answer he finds more suitable. Changing the system would entail changing the MO philosophy.

(b) Speaking of software, remember that the software that MO runs is effectively out of our collective control (belongs to Fog Creek), and since the release of SE2.0, there probably won't be "feature updates" even if we ask. So unfortunately any discussion will be eventually moot.


Now, I'm in favour of the idea of just coming to Meta and say: hey guys, there's a very nice, but incomplete answer to one of my questions, would you mind voting it up so it would be bumped to the top of the list, since no other better answers are available? I'm sure many will be more than happy to comply.

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thomas80 comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10667) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10667#Comment_10667 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10667#Comment_10667 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:19:37 -0800 thomas80
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is probably not going to happen because addressing these kinds of feature requests is not in the hands of the mathoverflow admins. It would require either begging to Joel Spolsky or replacing the stackexchange with a more open alternative. ]]>
Harald Hanche-Olsen comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10666) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10666#Comment_10666 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10666#Comment_10666 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:17:37 -0800 Harald Hanche-Olsen From the various discussions over this theme, I think the consensus is: Don't worry too much about it, just vote up the answers you think are good, perhaps leave a comment praising an answer you think is really good, and leave it at that. If we make a more complicated system we are just going to have even harder conundrums as we try to figure out how to use the features of that system.

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victorsmiller comments on "Not quite definitive answers" (10665) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10665#Comment_10665 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/774/not-quite-definitive-answers/?Focus=10665#Comment_10665 Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:11:12 -0800 victorsmiller