Maybe we should clarify that gossip is not welcome here? On the other hand no one responded negatively to the question "who might be the next Fields medalist" (though that was before we were discouraging soft questions).
In my point of view there is a big difference between two questions. Their most natural interpretation is:
who might be the next Fields medalist: based on the publicly available information estimate the profiles of mathematicians under 40, then try to select a few who appear to deserve Fields. Use your own judgement.
why there are no Clay Liftoffs: if you possess an information about the financial state of Clay Foundation, preferably a verifiable information for which you know the chain of how this information was passed from somebody at the Foundation -- then please post this information here together with the brief description of your chain. No, you don't need to post actual names.
As you see, the questions, as I reformulated, are of completely different type -- successful answer to the last one would require disclosure of private information originally available only to the foundation. If they want to do it, there are, as Anton correctly says, much easier ways for them than posting on Math Overflow.
In general, gossip can cause an active harm. If we allow this type of questions, somebody will sooner or later cause harm by gossiping and perhaps break the law about the disclosure of confidential information. And if you think about Pentagon papers, note that Consitution prohibits government from censorship, but leaves open the possibility of private lawsuits about breach of privacy (IANAL).
Therefore I would put my weight (albeit limited) to say that gossipy questions should be actively closed. I also think they should be deleted.
Online communities have encountered similar problems before. For example, Wikipedia allows quite a lot of pages, but there are special rules about the biographies of living people. There's no reason we should set the bar for ourselves lower than
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We must get the article right.[1] Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2]
Since you seem to be at one end of the spectrum on the issue of "soft questions", maybe I can get you to tell me which of my questions you deem as too soft for MO. I've asked generally a couple of times just so that I can get some sense of what people are actually objecting to.
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Reputation is completely optional. Normal use of Math Overflow — that is, asking and answering questions — does not require any reputation whatsoever.
Remember, Math Overflow is run by you! If you want to help us run the site, you'll need reputation first. Reputation is a (very) rough measurement of how much the Math Overflow community trusts you. Reputation is never given, it is earned by convincing other users that you know what you're talking about.
At the high end of this reputation spectrum there is little difference between users with high reputation and moderators. That is very much intentional. We don't run Math Overflow. The community does.
Seriously, I know it was all the rage a few years back to throw these sorts of sops to community, consensus, and democracy, but that isn't how mathematics works, and it sure isn't how the current management of this site works. Anyone who has made any examination of unchecked-reliability rating systems knows that they never measure what the participation mystique mythology would have us believe they measure. Anyone who has any experience with group dynamics and social networking knows that a whole arena full of up and down thumbers is no substitute for genuine scientific collaboration.
So I continue to suggest that the site owners examine their true aims and values and make a real attempt to articulate them in a mission statement. It will save everyone who passes this way a lot of wasted time and effort.
Jon Awbrey
]]>If you (or somebody else) can make a good case that the question should be reopened, I'm happy to reopen it, but let me point out some reasons why I think this particular question should remain closed. If somebody knows the answer to your question, they can leave it in a comment. There isn't any advantage to encouraging people to leave answers as answers. In the other questionable posts you mentioned (math jokes and holidays), there is some value in having people vote various answers up and down, but for your question, if there were more than a single answer, something would probably be wrong. This is the sense in which your question is very much a discussion question. I also think it's a bad discussion question because there are so few people who could provide any input of any value, so it's basically just asking for irresponsible speculation. If you really want to know what's going on with the Clay Liftoff program, you should just email CMI and ask, not post about it on some random place on the internet and hope they come across it.
]]>0) I agree that the rules need to be clarified. We're working on it through this forum and questions like yours help us in figuring things out.
1) I believe the people who wanted it closed flagged it as `Gossipy", in contrast to the soft questions you compare it to.
2) I don't really like the questions you reference either. I'd like the content of this site to be pretty serious overall, and the math jokes question snuck in in the beginning, before we started cracking down on discussion questions.
3) I think your point "a" is good evidence that this is a question interesting to mathematicians (I'M certainly interested in the answer), but disagree with b and c. As for c, your metric should be votes, not views. Soft questions and questions that could potentially get closed simply get more views. As for b, it got more than two flags, and comments by people who didn't flag it.
In any case, the reaction your question got from MO users was that it was too gossipy and therefore not appropriate for the site. Maybe we should clarify that gossip is not welcome here? On the other hand no one responded negatively to the question "who might be the next Fields medalist" (though that was before we were discouraging soft questions).
]]>I see. You know, you guys really need to change the site motto. I suggest "A place to ask questions about Mathematics but only the mathematician type of questions - you know, stuff that isn't talked about as much as having papers written about it. Basically you must have published a paper or in the process of to really make use of any of the resources here."
and my response was
When you first visit the site, a bright banner shows up saying "First time here? Read the FAQ" with a link to the FAQ (mathoverflow.net/faq). If you read it, you'll see that the very first thing it deals with is which questions are appropriate for the site. Our "motto" is pretty close to what you suggested: The primary criterion for determining whether a question is appropriate for Math Overflow is "is this of interest to mathematicians?" By a "mathematician," we mean a person whose primary occupation is doing mathematics.
I think you're right that there's very little we can do about such users by modifying the FAQ. If you're diligent enough to look at the FAQ, then you're probably going to look around to see if your question is the sort of thing people discuss on the site.
]]>Here's a list of recently closed questions. Non-closed questions can be assumed to be appropriate.
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1612/rn2-equivalent-to-mnxnr-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1710/is-xy-a-recursive-algorythm-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1709/about-s2-and-rp2-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1695/understanding-the-concept-of-trigonomical-equactions-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1588/math-subject-gre-how-to-best-prepare-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1589/need-help-with-a-line-integral-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1514/why-sphere-is-manifold-how-can-we-show-that-closed
http://mathoverflow.net/questions/1430/an-bn-is-divisible-by-ab-if-n-is-odd-closed
As we get better indexed by Google, you can produce a good list of examples of inappropriate questions using the search http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mathoverflow.net+inurl:closed.
Also, as time goes on, which questions get closed will be more organic. Once a user has >3000 reputation, she can vote to close a question, and five such votes automatically closes the question. To a certain extent, this happens now when some people flag a question for moderator attention with a comment explaining that the question is not appropriate for MO. The moderators see these flags and decide to close the question (or not).
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