tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (A curious series of questions) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:52:39 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Todd Trimble comments on "A curious series of questions" (11085) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11085#Comment_11085 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11085#Comment_11085 Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:31:00 -0800 Todd Trimble Andres Caicedo comments on "A curious series of questions" (11084) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11084#Comment_11084 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11084#Comment_11084 Thu, 25 Nov 2010 17:19:38 -0800 Andres Caicedo Gerry Myerson comments on "A curious series of questions" (11019) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11019#Comment_11019 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11019#Comment_11019 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 16:00:29 -0800 Gerry Myerson Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (11017) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11017#Comment_11017 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11017#Comment_11017 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 15:15:02 -0800 Will Jagy
Note that I have no idea whether it is Champions League or Champions' League or some other thing.

I can finally confirm that there is also an official on the Real goal line, Ajax have rarely gotten close enough for the television camera to show that goal. ]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (11016) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11016#Comment_11016 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11016#Comment_11016 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:59:11 -0800 Hailong Dao @Will: they are called, well, goal lines, I believe. Funny I am watching the highlights too.

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (11015) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11015#Comment_11015 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11015#Comment_11015 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:41:35 -0800 Will Jagy
But on to something really important, I am watching a same-day replay of Real Madrid-Ajax, and there are quite definitely extra officials standing on the goal lines to judge whether goals have occurred. I do not believe I know what those lines are called, the side lines are called touchlines as far as I can tell. ]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (11011) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11011#Comment_11011 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11011#Comment_11011 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:18:30 -0800 Hailong Dao Dear everyone,

Thank you for your comments. I would like to emphasize that I did not want to make a spectacle out of this and especially did not want to create more tasks for the moderators. Following Anton's lead in the last thread, I will remove the link in the original post. After all, my reason for starting this thread was not about these particular questions but more academic: I was really curious to see if there are protocols on these matters. All your comments raised excellent points, and perhaps at this point the best solution is to use our common sense and let the sun does its job!

Yours,

Long

PS: if you are new to the thread and would like to see the actual link in my post, please feel free to email me.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "A curious series of questions" (11009) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11009#Comment_11009 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11009#Comment_11009 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 12:01:31 -0800 Anton Geraschenko

... especially after somebody here not so long ago tried to delete all his questions after they were answered.

That was a weird situation. The software normally won't allow the OP to delete a question that has a substantive answer (one with at least 2 upvotes), and those cases the software just barely failed to recognize the answers as substantive. I'm still planning to write a script to walk through the database each month to look for questions with substantive-looking answers that have been deleted by the OP, but I've been pretty busy lately.

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "A curious series of questions" (11008) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11008#Comment_11008 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11008#Comment_11008 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:48:15 -0800 Anton Geraschenko I guess my position is further left than most people here: I think sunshine is good. Attempting to rig MO so that it cannot be used to solve a thesis problem feels like attempting to rig words so that they cannot be used to lie or to rig a knife so that it cannot be used to cut oneself. Some precautions are a good idea, but it quickly becomes ridiculous. It's fine to suggest that this person change his username to his real name, but we have absolutely no way to enforce it. Supposing the username was "David Folbers" (a name I just made up) as opposed to "David" and the profile said he was a professor at the "University of East Turiland" (also just made up), would this thread never have been started?

If a question is poorly motivated, asked by an anonymous user, or the asker is not engaged, you're welcome to not answer it. But if it is coherent and interesting, it seems strange to insist that nobody answer it based on the speculation that it is an attempt to cheat in some way. If somebody is cheating, I think it's far better to make it clear that they won't get away with it than to try to prevent them from doing it in the first place. I can't think of any better deterrent than providing a completely public and searchable record who contributed what on MO. The reason to use your real name should not be because you are forced to, but because you want to lay claim to your contributions.

Not only is transparency probably the best solution, it also happens to be easy to implement and unobtrusive.

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (11007) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11007#Comment_11007 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11007#Comment_11007 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:46:22 -0800 Will Jagy
This also gives me an opportunty to put my strong feelings in milder words: a multiple-question fishing expedition by correctly named Professor ___ is likely to be acceptable to me. The same sequence of questions by an unknown who seems to be getting a free thesis is not.

I like Alex's point about OP's not responding to requests for background/motivation. This happens in so many different types of questions, it is not always a sign of anything unsavory, but it is a sign that the OP just wants something and is not engaged in the conversation. ]]>
Scott Morrison comments on "A curious series of questions" (11005) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11005#Comment_11005 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=11005#Comment_11005 Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:23:07 -0800 Scott Morrison I think it would be reasonable in this case to insist (say, the moderators via private email) that this person changes their username to their real name. What do people think?

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Alex Bartel comments on "A curious series of questions" (10986) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10986#Comment_10986 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10986#Comment_10986 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 23:21:35 -0800 Alex Bartel

Finally, I am fairly certain there are serious mathematicians on MO whose usernames are "unknown".

That's certainly true but then asking for motivation usually clarifies the situation a fair bit. If the poster doesn't react, then this should raise an alarm flag. But for some people, the hunt for reputation points is just too tempting (I am not referring to the particular posts in question and not blaming you for answering, since the situation really does seem less clear here).

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (10985) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10985#Comment_10985 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10985#Comment_10985 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:35:27 -0800 Will Jagy Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (10984) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10984#Comment_10984 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10984#Comment_10984 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:18:53 -0800 Hailong Dao @Will: I think the issue is a bit more complicated. First of all, "cheaters" is a little strong. Sometimes there are languages/cultural differences. Also, inexperienced users may not be sure what are the right protocols for MO. Finally, I am fairly certain there are serious mathematicians on MO whose usernames are "unknown".

In any case, as I wrote above, my recollection of Martin's thread was quite different from the points of view expressed so far, so I am curious to hear more comments.

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (10983) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10983#Comment_10983 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10983#Comment_10983 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:08:26 -0800 Will Jagy
Eventually I decided that she was probably mentally on the edge, and that I did not have a deep need to hear that she was booted out. But the whole thing really, really pissed me off while it was going on. I don't like cheaters. ]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (10982) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10982#Comment_10982 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10982#Comment_10982 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:45:41 -0800 Hailong Dao @Alex, Will: I actually raised a similar point in the first thread that touched on this issue. It seemed to me then that most people on that thread did not consider this to be serious enough to stop answering such questions. The community seemed to agree then that having a public record is good, and the only people who may lose are the people who post the questions.

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Alex Bartel comments on "A curious series of questions" (10981) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10981#Comment_10981 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10981#Comment_10981 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:25:27 -0800 Alex Bartel Personally, I have stopped answering questions from anonymous users, except for basic reference requests or common knowledge. These kinds of situations are my main reason for it, especially after somebody here not so long ago tried to delete all his questions after they were answered. I also really wish people woudn't jump to answer a question if somebody asks in a comment what the motivation is and a satisfactory answer is not provided. I sometimes even downvote such answers, even if they are mathematically ok (or should I say especially then).

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Will Jagy comments on "A curious series of questions" (10980) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10980#Comment_10980 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10980#Comment_10980 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 19:39:27 -0800 Will Jagy
Presumably there is no single rule that covers this. But I think this is an abuse, worse than homework because harder to see and eventually important. The bad news is that you may need to take some sort of lead on this, as you know the material. ]]>
Hailong Dao comments on "A curious series of questions" (10979) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10979#Comment_10979 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/790/a-curious-series-of-questions/?Focus=10979#Comment_10979 Mon, 22 Nov 2010 18:56:55 -0800 Hailong Dao This user has been posting a series of increasingly sophisticated questions (judging purely by the number of upvotes!). My feeling is that they are not HW, since who would assign two open problems in a week ?

However, these do feel like some kind of honors thesis or even starting point of something bigger. For example, one part of his latest question turns out to be sandwiched between two well-known conjectures, and I have not seen it raised elsewhere. It is possible but unlikely that idle curiosity leads to these group of questions.

Normally I would not think too much about this. After all, sunshine is good (or something like that, sorry English is not my native tongue). But in light of recent events I think I would post this here to see if the moderators and the community have some opinions on this matters. In particular, do we answer such questions? If so, how much should we give? What if a bigger stream of questions arrives?

As I said above, I have nothing against the OP posting these questions. They are nice, I like them and I would probably give similar answers if some graduate students emailed me those questions. What I would like to know is what the community thinks, and whether some consensus has formed over this (somewhat delicate) issue, especially since the OP is anonymous.

I would appreciate your thoughts and comments.

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