tea.mathoverflow.net - Discussion Feed (Question mysteriously becoming community wiki) Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:54:30 -0800 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/ Lussumo Vanilla 1.1.9 & Feed Publisher Scott Morrison comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (4242) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=4242#Comment_4242 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=4242#Comment_4242 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:14 -0700 Scott Morrison Sorry to revive an old thread, I wanted to add something about why big-lists should be community-wiki. Big-lists, by their nature, receive many many answers, not all good. It is more important than usual that the list is easily sortable. Having the answers all community-wiki lowers to barrier to people upvoting and downvoting individual answers. (Notice as usual this is an argument based on the future usefulness of the page, not reputation effects.)

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Anton Geraschenko comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3414) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3414#Comment_3414 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3414#Comment_3414 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:05:04 -0800 Anton Geraschenko I think the question of exactly when a question should be CW is a very interesting one, but I don't have time to say anything about it now. This question was flagged, asking a moderator to convert it to wiki. I had a look at it, but didn't have much time to look at it carefully, and the answers looked pretty big, so I decided not to wiki-hammer it and let another moderator decide how to handle it. One problem with CW is that there is no way to undo it. I believe it would be a much less tense question if moderators (but probably not regular users) had the ability to un-CW posts. If you agree, please vote up this meta.SE request.

I will point out that though the wiki hammer doesn't count as an edit, it does show up in the revision history. If a post has not been edited, then there is no direct link to the revision history, but you can get to it by going to the URL http://mathoverflow/revisions/XXXX/list, where XXXX is the number of the post. In this case, you can see that Scott converted the question to wiki.

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Anweshi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3413) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3413#Comment_3413 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3413#Comment_3413 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:03:09 -0800 Anweshi @fpqc. Ok, I retract my statement(ie I delete my comment). But I am peeved by your belief that you got to criticize people, but nobody gets to criticize you. This is the last time I am dealing with you here or in real life.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3412) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3412#Comment_3412 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3412#Comment_3412 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 16:00:18 -0800 Harry Gindi Anweshi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3411) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3411#Comment_3411 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3411#Comment_3411 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:57:10 -0800 Anweshi [Redacted in response to objections of fpqc].

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Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3409) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3409#Comment_3409 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3409#Comment_3409 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:55:16 -0800 Regenbogen @Qiaochu. Oh, so CW is for questions that do not have a "best" answer, and so big-list should always be CW. I see.

But I still hold that this question was different. Anyway, it seems to be going pointlessly ad-infinitum; it is not that the world hinges on this question.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3408) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3408#Comment_3408 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3408#Comment_3408 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:54:13 -0800 Harry Gindi Qiaochu Yuan comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3407) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3407#Comment_3407 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3407#Comment_3407 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:52:03 -0800 Qiaochu Yuan No, I don't mean that you're being unreasonable. I was just curious; it seemed like a very decisive pronouncement at the time.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3406) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3406#Comment_3406 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3406#Comment_3406 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:49:02 -0800 Harry Gindi Qiaochu Yuan comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3405) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3405#Comment_3405 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3405#Comment_3405 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:44:03 -0800 Qiaochu Yuan @fpqc, weren't you on a self-imposed meta moratorium?

Edit: Regarding the subject at hand, as I think I explained in the comments, the rule of thumb is that a non-CW MO question should have the property that it is possible to agree upon what constitutes a reasonably complete answer to the question, and therefore to accept it, giving the answerer his credit. Big-list questions have the property that it is not reasonable to accept any one answer, so along with other questions that have this property they've generally been community wiki.

This makes sense when the list is a list of references, for example, which do not take a lot of effort to write down. However, I see your point that in this case the answers are not trivial to write down and deserve some credit. We don't at the moment have a way to prevent the questioner from gaining reputation while the answerers do.

Edit #2: Let me mention some other reason big lists are generally community wiki. First, it lowers the entry requirement for users to edit each other's answers, so if an entry on the list is interesting but poorly written it is easier for someone to write more about it / give more background. Second, it allows the voting system to be used more effectively to rank the list without damaging the reputation of users who give bad responses.

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Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3404) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3404#Comment_3404 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3404#Comment_3404 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:38:40 -0800 Regenbogen I do not mind the question being community wiki. Reputation on this question is not such a big matter for me. I can get it by asking other questions or giving answers. However I feel there should be some incentive to the people who spent time for answering.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3403) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3403#Comment_3403 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3403#Comment_3403 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:37:11 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3402) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3402#Comment_3402 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3402#Comment_3402 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:28:53 -0800 Regenbogen @fpqc. By the same reasoning as I tagged this question "big-list", your question on "Algebraic topologies" like the Zariski topology, also could have been tagged so. But it was a nontrivial question.

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Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3401) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3401#Comment_3401 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3401#Comment_3401 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:24:52 -0800 Regenbogen @fpqc. Ahh!! That's a good point. Here I respectfully disagree with you. I had asked it with a good amount of information, some number of restrictions, etc.. But of course my view on this will be biased, and my statement would make sense only if someone else supports my view. Maybe I am hoping for too much.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3400) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3400#Comment_3400 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3400#Comment_3400 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:22:03 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3399) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3399#Comment_3399 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3399#Comment_3399 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:11:50 -0800 Regenbogen @fpqc. If you think it is that easy to answer this question, then please provide one! Please try, and then you will understand what I am speaking of. If it is a question about math jokes or books in a certain subject, a google search will give you an answer. Here it is not so easy to get one.

On the other hand, in general it might be a good idea to require that both questions and answers should be community wiki, for questions like the two examples in the above line.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3398) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3398#Comment_3398 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3398#Comment_3398 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:09:48 -0800 Harry Gindi
@Mariano: If there were a way to make the question CW but the answers not CW, I would agree with you, but currently there is no way to do it. I think leaving big-list questions non-CW encourages more big-list questions, which I'm in principle against. ]]>
Mariano comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3397) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3397#Comment_3397 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3397#Comment_3397 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:09:40 -0800 Mariano @fpqc, then don't vote up those questions!

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Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3396) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3396#Comment_3396 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3396#Comment_3396 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:09:03 -0800 Regenbogen @fpqc. This is a specific question on a specific subject.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3395) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3395#Comment_3395 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3395#Comment_3395 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:06:28 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3394) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3394#Comment_3394 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3394#Comment_3394 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 15:04:08 -0800 Regenbogen @fpqc. It is unfortunately a big-list question. A big list with nontrivial items, but a big list nonetheless.

There is a difference between this big list, and a big list asking for books on algebra for instance. I hope you understand my point.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3393) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3393#Comment_3393 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3393#Comment_3393 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:54:24 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3392) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3392#Comment_3392 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3392#Comment_3392 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:22:29 -0800 Regenbogen @Scott Morrison. I had noticed that it was community wiki only after expressing my reservation. I cannot be 100% sure that I commented before the wiki hammer.

Edit: As I think on it, I think I had commented first, and then it was later made wiki. But again I do not know with complete surety. But this is not the important thing.

The important point is that the answers were good, and nontrivial to come up with, and each responder deserved the rep s/he got. This was a case different from the usual wiki cases attempting to gain reputation with soft questions and soft answers, I believe.

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Scott Morrison comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3391) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3391#Comment_3391 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3391#Comment_3391 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:01:02 -0800 Scott Morrison Sorry, this was my doing, and I forgot that just marking as community wiki (via editing, in this case, not the wiki-hammer) doesn't generate a history item.'

If I made it community-wiki after you'd expressed reservations about it, I'm really sorry --- I didn't expand the comments before going ahead. I made it community-wiki on the rule of thumb that all big lists should be. I'm happy to hear what people think on this point, for the future, however.

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Mariano comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3390) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3390#Comment_3390 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3390#Comment_3390 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:49:22 -0800 Mariano I do not agree that questions that ask for lists should automatically become CW. Quite often those questions attract amazingly good answers, which take lots of work and willingness on the part of the answerer, so I think it is rather natural that they should be rewarded by those who appreciate their work, though voting.

In fact, I have yet to understand when turning a question into CW is good («I want to know this, but I will set things up so that you, if you answer, are not rewarded neither by me nor by anyone else»)---I can see, though, situations where it makes sense for an answer to be made CW.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3389) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3389#Comment_3389 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3389#Comment_3389 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:29:02 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3388) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3388#Comment_3388 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3388#Comment_3388 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:28:23 -0800 Regenbogen Oh! Then I think I should request the concerned moderator to leave a note. I suppose I have a right to know, esp since I in comments I had expressed my reservations about making it community wiki.

I was thinking that it was rather some automatic software action, like big list --> community wiki.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3387) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3387#Comment_3387 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3387#Comment_3387 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:19:56 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3386) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3386#Comment_3386 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3386#Comment_3386 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:14:41 -0800 Regenbogen If that is so, then "edited by so-and-so moderator" should show up.

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Harry Gindi comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3385) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3385#Comment_3385 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3385#Comment_3385 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:05:09 -0800 Harry Gindi Regenbogen comments on "Question mysteriously becoming community wiki" (3384) http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3384#Comment_3384 http://mathoverflow.tqft.net/discussion/247/question-mysteriously-becoming-community-wiki/?Focus=3384#Comment_3384 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 12:54:19 -0800 Regenbogen How did this question of mine become community wiki?

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