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I was rather surprised to see this question closed; it seems perfectly reasonable to me. I won't vote to reopen yet, but would happily if I could do it as the last vote.
Isn't Voloch's comment fairly on the mark? It appears to be a subjective question.
@Ryan, hmm, Voloch says some (irrelevant?) things about the boycott, and otherwise merely states "It is subjective and argumentative."
I don't think 'subjective' by itself is necessarily grounds for being a bad question. Questions admitting more than one correct answer have long been considered acceptable (although preferably community wiki'd, so voting can be used to sort without side effects). I don't think that it's necessarily "argumentative", in the sense of necessarily resulting in irreconcilable disagreements. There are certainly objective measures one can use to compare journals. I'm certainly happy to concede that it would be a better question if it directly asked for particular objective comparisons between potential alternatives to the named journals.
(I'm also happy to recuse myself from dealing with this question; I have more enthusiasm than most for the current discussion around mathematical publishing.)
I think the question is fine, but I confess I don't see why it couldn't all be discussed over on Math2.0. It seems to me that if assertions are made then people will want to follow up on them, which means discussion, which means not-so-good-on-MO-platform.
The only advantages I can see to having it on MO are (1) visibility (2) anonymity. But I would have thought that both are things that can be done on Math2.0 as well.
I suppose I can't really imagine asking this question about any other journal -- other than in the context of this boycott. For example, if the question replaced one of these journals with The Journal of Knot Theory and its Ramifications, I'd be a little puzzled by the question, as there are no other journals very close to it in mission. A lot of journals are fairly unique in their outlooks. So to me, having a public list of "comparables" like this seems to be mainly "staking territory" in the rhetorical battle of the boycott.
So my impression is this is mostly a political thing, rather than a mathematical thing.
To quid: why do you give a straight answer to a question that you voted to close (it was even the final vote!)? I'm sure we have talked about this sort of thing before, although I don't remember where. But it's as if: here's my answer, and now there should be no further answers.
@Todd: I noticed that in the comment thread to the question quid wrote something about changing his mind and voting to close as a duplicate.
@Scott: There are now four votes to reopen, if you still want to cast a non-super-vote to reopen.
First some general remarks than responses to Todd Trimble and Mark Sapir (the later continuing on discussion on the main site), and something related to what Ryan Budney said.
I certainly agree that the question is a bit subjective (yet it would also have been subjective a month ago, i.e. before The Boycott) as anything related to journal-quality (one of my coauthors thinks some particular journal, actually one mentioned in the question,
is slightly too good for our work another one thinks it is too bad; in general they are both reasonable and their standards are comparable [and it is not that they judged our work differently their respective opinion on the journal is completely different, roughly: very good and mediocre, respectively]...so: subjective). And the question is in some sense about journal quality as what was asked for askjed for comparable journals to some given ones.
Also it could be phrased better, as it is likely to cause misunderstandings as documented by the very first comment, (mis)interpreting it as a cry for help of some rejected author, and also as it was in my opinion interpreted too much as a specific request for advice on a given paper (cf eg Mark Sapir's comment). I can understand why it was phrased that way, namely precisely to avoid that it is interpreted as 'mostly a politcal thing'; in addition one of OPs later comment
"This confirms my motivating concern, being that there is not an ideal alternative at the moment." So if one wants to insinuate a 'political motivation' form OPs perspective related to The Boycott than it is pro-Elsevier, since the reading of the answers the OP gives is: there is no ideal alternative.
True, I did not vote to close right away and even gave an answer. As I do not think the question is that bad though not good, and when I saw it about an hour after it was asked there was already an answer and a couple of comments without loud cries for closure except perhaps some implictly based on a misunderstanding of the question, and I think one can give sort-of reasonable answers. Then things developped in particular some comments tangential to the question appeared. So eventually I voted to close. The eventually was 5 hours after my answer; well, in some sense 5 hours is not long, but as documented by some comments I made in between I watched it closely in between to see how things develop so that subjectively for me the 'tone' of the question changed quite a bit.
Cont...
Now still more specifically regarding Todd Trimble's inquiry: I said briefly why I closed. "To avoid discussion (perhaps?) I slightly changed my mind and voted to close as duplicate of the question I mentioned" this refers to a previous comment of mine in response (to Felipe Voloch mentioned above) "I can think of reasons why this question should not be on MO, but that there is some boycott is not among them. The questions asks for a list of general algebra journals about comparable to JA and JPA. That's it. Yet we could start fleshing out that question http://mathoverflow.net/questions/3512/top-specialized-journals instead or close it too"
That question is also subjective. And I really think one could make an argument to close it, but it was not closed so far (right, it is also old, but still). I think one really can, but does not have to, make a case that the present question is a special case of that other one (I did not remember it right away, so did not think about this before I answered). The Algebra aspect of that question was not very well developped; but I changed this partially by adding the information I gave and JPAA to that other question via a comment to an existing answer (where JA was already present). [I did not add the journals mentioned by others, since I do not know them well, and for some do not think they really qualify as generalist algebra journals; opposed to the journals in the question and those in my answer, which I am much more familiar with, having published in two, refereed for a third, ocassionally talked with people editing some of them and generally reading articles in them frequently].
So, in brief, I did not answer and close (as one act), but answered since I found the question about alright (though not great). Yet the later developpment showed that the question is more likely to cause discussion than I anticipated and thus I later voted to close. That I said I changed 'my mind' mainly referred to a certain change of mind between my comment responding to Voloch and the final one (made in rapid succession); where the change of mind is that the motivation for the first was something like "the boycott is not relevant here, I am against closing it because of it" which I then changed to "actually I agree the question always had the potential to become subjetive and argumentative (with or without the boycott) and it apparently now became so, it seems useless that I insist on making this (fine) distinction" even more so as I remembered the other question where the information could go. In general, I think it is not that uncommon that question change from something that seems alright/could work to something that apparently (at least at this point in time) does not work.
I hope this explains my actions. If you or somebody else should still consider this as problematic (and the question stays closed; oh it seems it got reopened, so if it should get reclosed) than I could delete my answer, and preseve the actual information only via a comment [incidentally I thought about deleting my answer, but then I think in case somebody does not know the two journals I mentioned and is not very keen on or forced to making fine distinctions regarding journals reputation they are reasonable alternatives].
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Response to Mark Sapir: Regarding what you said on main that it was 'obvious' that your 'your' was meant to mean the OP, this was not obvious to me, since indeed IMO your comment makes more sense if it would have been an 'abstract' your, since in my opinion the question is a general question (though perhaps/likely motivated by an immediate personal need). Now, of course on can say each journal is unique and any question of this form does not make sense to begin with. However, I think this is a bit of an extreme position, in particular if you say this is due to the editorial board, since making it even more extreme this would imply that any change in the board 'creates' a 'new' journal. In a very fine sense it is true, and some Editors (in chief) and changes of them certainly really formed and reformed journals. Yet, still, I think that there is something like a notion of a generalist algebra journal (of a certain perceived quality). [Or to put it differently, yes the board is important, but there is also (aims and) scope of the journal. I do not want to give explict examples, but there are mathematicians working in quite distant fields being on boards in journals of the respective speciality. I assume if I would submit to Expert in Field A and B a paper in A in her/his function as editor of journal in Field B s/he would find this rather strange.] Yet, the question did not ask about some exact match or optimization, but to quote (my emphasize):
Optimal answers will be names of journals whose likelihood of accepting any given paper, and esteem amongst people in the field, correlates highly with these two; so, they will consequently be specialized in algebra, and of approximately equal caliber. Also, it would be good if the rigor of the referee process is comparable.
I don't know, but I think the two I gave sort-of meet this criterion (and if one did not know them before this could be useful; if OP new them they might have excluded them explictly, also I did not give some other journals since they are more specialized, Journal of Commutative Algebra for instance; or I do consider them as too far 'below' those in the question, let's not mention those). Or, if one think the correleation is still not high enough, they migt at least be among those with a relatively high one.
Regarding what Ryan Budney said that he cannot imagine this being asked for any other journal: While I agree that most likely the immediate motivtion was this boycott, as I said one can interpret the effect and intention (assuming for the sake of argument there is any) in different ways, and I can perfectly well imagine that something like this would be asked for another field/journal. To wit, see Pete L. Clark's answer to the question I linked to above gving a ranked list of a couple of journals in number theory. It's not clear how to compare Acta Arithmetica, Journal of Number Theory, Journal de Theories de Nombres de Bordeaux, International Journal of Number Theory to take just those with scope number theory without expansion or restriction. There are some distinctions due to editorial board which subfields are more present here or there; but say a mainstream algebraic or analytic number theory paper could in principle definitely go to any of them. Why should not somebody (inexperienced) wonder which of them are considered as more or less comparable or perhaps somebody might know two and wonder if there are others, or know all and wonder if there are still more. All this are not great MO questions. But there is not necessarily something 'political' going on. Or, Gowers (yes also the immediate motivation was the boycott) on his blog compared journals in combinatorics. Combinatorica, JCT (A+B), Elect. JC, Dicrete Math; Eropean JC, Annals of Comb.,CPC,... what is what how are they seen, this is not obvious. [As always opinions differ, but perhaps some are wider spread than others, and to know what other people think on journals can be important, because actually as many people say where one publishes is often a CV-question and then what is key is what people tend to think]. Actually both Pete L. Clark's and Gowers's discussion were quite interesting for me as a lot was in line with my expectation but some aspects were different.
ps. I missed the last couple comments while typing. Thank you Kevin Walker for mentioning my comment.
pps. Sorry for the lengthy discussion. I did not realise I write so much, while typing but know as it is typed, I thought I'll post it.
tl;dr
Thanks for your explanations, quid. I still don't think I like the idea of someone answering a question and then voting to close it (except when a question has well outworn its usefulness, like one which has been around a year and got 150 answers), certainly not after a gap of a few hours. In brief, after applying one of these actions, I think one should recuse oneself from applying the other (deletion of the answer may be appropriate). But this may be a separate discussion, and it may be moot since the question since has been reopened. In which case, sorry for the noise.
Now that Math 2.0 exists, wouldn't it make sense to close these sorts of questions and send them over there? It'd increase traffic to Math 2.0 and keep MO on math questions.
@Todd Trimble: I will avoid doing this in the future. In the special circulstances it felt alright, though a bit strange.
@Noah Snyder: this seems like a good idea in general. Perhaps even the FAQs should be updated to mention it. Is Math 2.0 already ready for this or still sort-of beta? [perhaps I am taking this thread off-topic too much with this]
@Harry Gindi: :P (Short enough now? But, then, as I confessed right away, it indeed got tl.)
@Quid: Not short enough. Your posts take up more vertical room than the preceding ten!!!
No hard feelings though =p.
@K: To be fair, if Andrew bought a domain name for every forum he tried to start, I can't imagine him being able to live anywhere outside the workhouse.
@Mark Sapir: thank you for the explanation. Let me assure you I was not totally ingnorant of this fact (which you might have inferred if you had read my post), but still some details where interesting; what is surprising for me is that any editor can definitely accept, no discussion or veto powers by anybody?; but perhaps this is tangential. Of course, the individual editors are important. However, aren't on the boards of the other journals, if not the same editors (though perhaps some might even be, I did not checl), still editors with comparable (in the sense of similar) expertise/interests. Say, not sure if this is a good example as it is not 'my' subfield of algebra and I am in general not much of an algebraist, but instead of submitting to you for JPAA somebody could submit to Zelmanov for JAA. Wouldn't this be somehow a comparable option? (And similar things in other subfields.)
ps. since this seems to be of supreeme importance in this discussion. I did not sign this boycott and have no intention of doing so. This does not mean I do not care about too high journal prices and realated matters, but just that I am not convinced a boycott (against one publisher) is a reasonable way to go.
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