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There's an AMS Notices article? Do you remember which month?
Thanks.
In fact, I tossed around the idea of doing an community wiki AMS-Notices-style article for SIGACT news/EATCS for the cstheory site. Now I'm encouraged to explore this further.
@grp, but that would mostly split things, and it is nice that there is just one site!
I don't think written English is a huge problem for research math. If we were talking about M.SE, then I could understand the motivation, though.
grp, I believe the answer to your first question is, "basically none". There was some discussion about language policy when Laurent Fargues wrote an answer in French, and I think the consensus was that we should demand questions in English and allow answers in other languages.
It is far from clear what anyone would gain from having alternative top-level domains. Do people still type full URLs nowadays?
I don't want to put words into Gerhard's keyboard here, but I don't see anything in his explanation that says that MO should fragment into language-specific sites. Just that it should have language-specific fronts. Why not have "mathoverflow.no" which is an overlay of mathoverflow but with the surrounding text translated into Norwegian (apart from the question as to which Norwegian language ...)? Of course, the main content would still be in English, but it would say something about being welcoming to other countries if, for example, the FAQ was available in Norwegian, French, German, Chinese, ...
Just because English (sorry, Broken English) is the de facto language of mathematics doesn't mean that we have to ignore the other languages.
Dear Andrew,
Very nicely put!
Best wishes,
Matt
English is the de facto language of mathematics for good reason---because mathematics is an international endeavour.
... and we English-speaking mathematicians can't be expected to manage other languages?
Personally, I don't see why people shouldn't ask questions in other languages. Of course, by doing so they will knowingly be limiting the pool of possible answerers, but surely that's their choice?
@grp,
Unfortunately, there are no such plans. For one, the lack of control over our software would prevent us from even getting started. If at some point we switch to some entirely new software, and this becomes possible, I'd be happy to help make it happen if others did the heavy lifting of translation work.
In the meantime, I don't particularly mind if people ask questions in other languages, as long as they are aware that this may reduce their readership. As we're in absolutely no danger of having "too much" foreign language use, it behooves us to be welcoming.
My recollection is that the rough consensus was that people are free to post it whatever language they like, but that they shouldn't be offended if someone adds a translation to their answer (I suppose there's no reason this shouldn't apply to adding non-English translations to English answers, though I don't think it's too likely to come up). Certainly that's my preferred policy.
Dear Ben,
Your recollection agrees with mine. Also, one might note that already there are several comment exchanges in Russian (and this is the only language in which I'm aware of there being multiple such exchanges).
Best wishes,
Matt
Dear Noah,
Of course there are also native speakers of other languages (say Chinese) studying in France who learn French but not English (or at least for whom English is yet another language to have to learn, having already learnt French).
Best wishes,
Matt
Those Chinese speakers in France will have to learn English as well.
I think that was the point Matt was trying to make. For a Chinese student studying mathematics in France, it is possible for him to get by without learning English at all. If he further does not intend to publish in journals other than those in France and those in China, he does not have to learn English. While it may be a good idea for said student to indeed learn English, your (apparent) stance seems to remove the decision from the individual and prescribe that everyone must learn English, which is a stance I am rather uncomfortable with.
In other words, you, Shevek, may choose not to interact with anyone who doesn't speak English if you so please, but if I see a Chinese student whose English is practically non-existent, I can choose to interact with him in Chinese; ditto if I see a Vietnamese student who speak French, and whose English skills are unfortunately poorer than my limited French skills.
I know you wrote earlier that you don't want to force other people to conform. But some of your follow-up posts have the connotation, if not the denotation, that is quite the opposite.
I agree in general that we should encourage the use of English as a common language on MO. But I think that's the degree it should be: an encouragement. Users should be made to understand that if they do post questions/answers in other languages, it may not reach as wide an audience. But they should not be barred from asking/answering in foreign languages.
@Harry: I agree with you in principle (in that I would not consider asking/answering in any of those languages). But I think that if the person who asks the question understands that most people on MO cannot read/write the language, that he cannot count on a fluent speaker to translate the question for him, and still chooses to do so anyway, he should have every right to disavail himself of possible help. In anycase, this is my moral stance: that I do not categorically expect everyone to know and use and love the English language.
That said, there is one worry about opening the flood-gate in general: right now the MO Thought Police is doing quite a nice job keeping things on topic. If we do allow multiple foreign languages, this can get slightly difficult. So for practicality and adminstrative issues, I am willing to compromise my morality. But I would not consider justifying the fact that English is the Lingua Franca of MO beyond that it is the status quo and it is convenient for most people.
Dear Shevek and Willie,
Willie's response captures my sentiments well, and his moral stance seems very similar to mine.
Dear Harry,
Just to pick one of the languages that you mentioned, there are many non-native German-speaking mathematicians can read German well enough to understand mathematics in their area. And of course, there are many native German-speaking mathematicians as well, for whom this is particularly easy (!) .
Best wishes,
Matt
Dear Emerton,
Regarding posting in German, I offer the following (anecdotal) evidence that this would be significantly different than allowing French posting:
I am not fluent in French, and I have not taken a class in French since elementary school. However, I am able to read mathematical books and papers written in French with relative ease. Conversely, I have tried to read a number of papers in German. However, every time I have tried, it has resulted in abject failure (the worst kind of failure!)
A paper is written once and read many times after all.
If you're lucky! Wasn't there a joke around about some journals being "write-only"?
+1 to Willie.
Shevek, I think D is considerably more controversial than A, B or C. (Perhaps there are economic theories in which A is controversial too, though?)
I'll leave it at that, for fear of further disrupting grp's useful suggestion. I've probably done too much damage already.
Dear Maxime,
Thank you for this wonderful comment!
Best wishes,
Matthew
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