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    • CommentAuthorvagabond
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010
     
    I have often come across a situation (more so at present than ever before) where in order to answer a problem in my subject area I am led to a question which is in a totally different area about which I have absolutely no familiarity. Most often these are quite basic and I would suppose well known to any one who works in those areas. So, naturally I think of asking these in MO.

    It is natural that a person who is not familiar with a given field will end up asking for "a result of the following kind" rather than a precise question. Or be asking a problem which is ill posed, but its apparent that he is asking for a result of a particular kind, something like a structure theorem for example. Since he does not know the pitfalls its quite likely he will end up asking a question which is not properly formulated.

    For a person who is knowledgeable I understand this is apparent and may be even irritating, but mind you the hapless fellow is not even a graduate student in the given field and please do not judge him accordingly. What may be common knowledge for a group of people working in a field, and you expect your first year graduate student to know; is not visibly apparent to someone who is an outsider.

    Why not reformulate the question to something so that it becomes well posed or meaningful if you know it can be done ? Specially when it becomes a valid well posed question, something which is obviously much more interesting than which was originally posed ?

    I am not passing a judgment here or criticizing anyone here its more of a suggestion which I think would help many people who has faced similar situation.
    • CommentAuthorWillieWong
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010
     

    Why not reformulate the question to something so that it becomes well posed or meaningful if you know it can be done ? Specially when it becomes a valid well posed question, something which is obviously much more interesting than which was originally posed ?

    But that requires me putting on my wizard's hat and dragging out my crystal ball.

    If the question is already clear enough that it is obvious what the person should be asking about, but just is missing some technical points, then I wouldn't call the question "ill-posed" to start. The questions I consider "ill-posed" are those which one has to pick at the Original Poster's brain to figure out what is meant. (Note: ill-posed is not the same as easy for someone in the field!) The best way for the question poster to gather good will in the situation you are asking about is, I think, for the OP to include all motivation (especially those from his field of specialty) on why he is led to consider the question. This will, on the one hand, let the community know that this is not an idle question, but one involving real research (just not in the OP's field of specialty); on the other, allow people to better assess the appropriate way to interpret and answer the question if it is not completely well-posed.

    In fact, from what I've seen on MO the people are very forgiving: if the question is ill-posed as stated, there will be comments prodding the OP to clarify the necessary parts. But for fear of mis-interpretting the OP and making the question something completely different, I would advice against a general policy of editing the question to "make it better" in the case where the original meaning is not clear.

    • CommentAuthorvagabond
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010 edited
     
    @Willie Wong I really appreciate your comment and will try to incorporate your suggestion in future.

    Having said that I do not think everyone will feel comfortable about sharing there work in progress, though I suppose thats the culture MO is trying to promote. It will work for me though.


    Thank you
    • CommentAuthorWillieWong
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010
     

    Presumeably you've seen

    http://tea.mathoverflow.net/discussion/704/diploma-thesis/

    and

    http://mathoverflow.net/questions/43755/when-should-you-and-should-you-not-share-your-mathematical-ideas

    if not, you should give them a look-see. For what it's worth, MO is a public forum. So while sharing your ideas on MO can bring to you some competition, it is slightly harder for someone else to "steal your credit".

    That said, one of the best things to do in this context, which you already thought about, is to find another young PhD/PostDoc who is an expert in that other field and start a collaboration. You'll both benefit from it. You may even consider writing a short letter to the author of that paper you described to ask whether he will consider a collaboration, and if not, whether he had any students he can suggest you to contact. (I don't think asking on MO would be appropriate strictly speaking, but maybe you can ask on Meta? Considering the recent thread on Canadian mathematicians, I don't think that is too much of a stretch.)

    • CommentAuthorvagabond
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010
     
    @Willie Wong

    Thank you, I had edited the post and made it into a separate post. I will put it back on ?

    For all I care, I can just post everything on MO and try to see if any one responds. That's acceptable right ? It wont violate any rules and I hope no one would ask me to "do it on your blog" ?
    • CommentAuthorWillieWong
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010
     

    You can post. But it will hardly be useful for you if it gets closed rapidly as too-localised/off-topic or worse spam.

    MO expects certain kinds of questions. If you willfully ignore that expectation, you may garner ill-will towards you. Just saying...

    • CommentAuthorvagabond
    • CommentTimeOct 29th 2010 edited
     
    @WillieWong

    I understand and the links you have provided and your suggestion were very helpful.

    I guess not having the outlook of a "professional mathematician" I have already suffered a lot.
    Honestly I feel so liberated asking a question in MO than people around me as you have mentioned are more forgiving.

    I have so many times found references to literature from people in MO, which on my own I would not have possibly found easily. Specially when I had an idea and wanted to know if any one has worked on something similar.

    I think for now I will restrict myself to using MO only for that purpose i.e., seeking reference to literature and answering other peoples questions if I can.

    I think I will do as you have suggested and look for someone to collaborate with and write to people who are working in the problem and hoping that I can get them interested in exploring the connections.

    I really wish some day (may be 100 years) people will openly discuss their ideas and collaborate on open forums like this.

    Thank You for everything.