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    • CommentAuthorYemon Choi
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2010 edited
     

    I don't think this question should be re-opened, but it has already attracted one vote to reopen. This thread is to provide whoever voted to re-open a place to argue the case. (I note that people seem much happier voting to re-open soft/borderline questions than coming here to argue why they should be re-opened.)

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    I think this is a good interesting question *for private discussion* but not for MO. Lots of mathematicians are really uncomfortable with their private tentative thoughts being made public.

    The only version of this question that I would support would be asking if there are any good examples of this process *which are in the public record.* For example, if someone wrote a Bulletin article summarizing the progress in some field which discussed how a particular theory was developed with a particular aim, and then you could compare that to what was written in the original papers. Or, for example, I think Alain Connes has said a reasonable amount on the record about developing certain theories with the Riemann hypothesis as the aim.
    • CommentAuthoralgori
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2010
     
    I've voted to reopen the question; the way I understand it, it is not about rumors, it is about not-so-well-known approaches to well known problems. Meaningful answers to this would be of great benefit to everyone.
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    The OP seems to agree with algori that:

    Meaningful answers to this would be of great benefit to everyone.

    The purpose of MO is to provide at least one meaningful answer that is of great benefit to the original asker. If this primary purpose gets swamped by "let's try to improve the general lot of (mathematical) man" then it won't survive, and I like that aspect of MO and see no actual benefit in these vague questions.

    (That didn't make quite as much sense as it did when the synapses started firing, but I suspect that most people here know my views well enough already to be able to interpolate.)

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    I agree with Andrew, the question is too vague and unfocused for MO.
    • CommentAuthortheojf
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2010
     

    When I first read the question, my reaction was "Finally, an open-ended vague question that I like".

    After reading the comments here, I have added a paragraph to the original question urging caution about outing other people. Hopefully this alleviate's Noah's concern; maybe more edits are still necessary. This is (one of) the point(s) of Community Wiki, after all: everyone can improve the question.

    I don't understand Andrew Stacey's concern.

    In any case, I have cast a second vote to reopen this question. I like this one so much better than most of the CW questions on MathOverflow.

    • CommentAuthorYemon Choi
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2010
     

    Theo: I am rather leery of questions which seem to take as a given the idea that People Do Maths To Solve Big Problems, or that Big Themes in Mathematics are There To Solve Big Problems. Now I'm not saying that the original poster necessary believes this, but the question seems to encourage this POV.

    Moreover, I tend to the pessimistic view that people's enthusiasm for answering vague questions outstrips their judgment, or their care in reading the secondary literature. The format of MO seems - to me - to allow people to keep coming back to these questions later to add answers of diminishing value.

    Lastly: in the comment thread on the original, there is some contrast made with other sciences where "if our research might help create better cancer treatment, then we should trumpet this". I really don't like this as a model for mathematics, since the potential for rewarding chutzpah rather than scholarship seems too high. But then I speak as someone marooned out in the uncool backwaters of pure mathematics, so I guess I have obvious biases...

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    IMO these soft-question and big-list tagged questions don't really add anything to MO. Rather than vote to close them they're the first tags on my ignore list.
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    +1 Yemon, especially the second paragraph.

    • CommentAuthortheojf
    • CommentTimeDec 20th 2010
     

    @Yemon:

    Those are all very good points. In particular, I think they're good reasons to down-vote the question, and I wish the comments to the question had more remarks like your first paragraph, explaining a down-vote, and fewer along the lines of "gossip is bad for MO", since I think the question can be asked without being too gossipy (don't complain, edit the question to emphasize that it's not for gossip!).

    I don't think they're good reasons to close it, given the standards that mostly have developed. A case in point: I like the question at hand much more than, say, http://mathoverflow.net/questions/50025/problems-where-we-cant-make-a-canonical-choice-solved-by-looking-at-all-choices . Which is to say, I have nothing against http://mathoverflow.net/questions/50025/, but I don't plan to contribute to it or to read any answers.

    Anyway, I don't feel strongly about either question. Like OP, I'm honestly curious to know about distant areas of math from mine, and a good way to hear about them is to ask questions like this one. (Compare all the wonderful popular books, or even more books for undergrads, that take some big trumpeted result like FLT as a way to structure a mathematical story about a number of different areas of research.) But I feel no sadness if the question stays closed.

    • CommentAuthorHarry Gindi
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2010 edited
     

    It boggles my mind why there is a math.gm on mathoverflow...

    Isn't that the part of the arXiv where they send all of the cranks (non-rhetorical question; I really do not know)?

    • CommentAuthorgilkalai
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2010
     
    Would it be acceptable to restrict the question to a single open problem? Like "What are the trends towards the Birch and Swinnerton-Dyer conjecture?" Once the gossip issue is removed the question as posed is still extremely wide.
    Even listing the "big open problems in mathematics" is much too wide for MO. (We had a debate about a question asking the main open problems in algebraic geometry). Listing the avanues to big open problems might be much larger.

    If restricted to a single problem that interests the OP (BTW what OP stands for?) then this may lead to answers which are useful for the OP.
    • CommentAuthorsds
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2010
     
    Original poster ?
    • CommentAuthorWillieWong
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2010
     

    @Harry: I can't answer your first question (other than the fact that such a category exists on arXiv, so why not here). For your second, it is definitely in the negative. Math.GM is appropriate for "easy" results. A fairly elementary result in linear algebra over the field of real/complex numbers can conceivably go there. It is also used fo results from "applications" of mathematics: say the "optimal strategy between waiting for a bus or walking problem", or the "should you run or walk in the rain problem". Unfortunately, it has been somewhat taken over by cranks. But I say that you shouldn't let the 80% of the crap give the rest a bad name.

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    @Harry, the cranks post to math.gm because they are more or less prevented from posting to the other parts of ArXiv but, as WillieWong says, there are good reasons for legitimite stuff to end up there. as well.