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Personally, I never upvote a post that I think should be community wiki but isn't, no matter how good I otherwise think it is. If most people act the same way, I don't think this should be a big problem.
No, I don't think it's a good idea to downvote solely for not being community wiki. I'm happy to not take an economic model of mathematicians.
For now, leave a helpful comment, along the lines of: "This question probably should be community wiki: <reason>", and/or flag for moderator attention. So far, the flagged post queue is usually quite short, and not a big bother. I doubt it gets cleared more often than every 3-6 hours, though, so bringing this to the poster attention will get faster results.
<reason> should be one of: 1) you're asking for a sorted list of resources 2) ...?
David White, you say you have seen many questions that are not CW but should be. Could you provide some examples. I specifically ask since there is what I consider to be a somewhat widespread misunderstanding regarding the current rules for CW; it seems to me they changed but I am not around for long engough to know this for a fact. It seems to me this is in some sense preserved in this 'CW hammer' terminology in use, somewhat along the lines: 'ok it is somewhat off-topic or soft, but at least CW, so no problem.' For all I know, this is not current policy according to statements of Anton on more than one occassion, here is a recent example
Indeed, somewhat recently I saw somebody (not you) quite aggressively asking why something was not CW, which in my opinion definitely should not be CW. Indeed, there are also questions that are CW from the start but should not be (according to my understanding). In particular, it is not true that a question being soft, on notation, on history or something like this alone makes it a CW question; it is only that question in this category tend to be such that they are CW for other reasons.
Hi David,
I should have known of what types of question you were speaking :) I agree direct textbook-recommendations should be CW most of the time, since they are poll-like; the vote is much more 'for the book' not so much the precise content of the answer.
I wanted to write: However, answers to CW questions are always CW (also retroactively). I believe what you point out regarding this is only a display issue and it is CW; if this is different it should be a bug. (Upvote and watch the unchanged rep.)
But I tried this and...
Turns out either I am completely mistaken or this is a bug. As these answers really remained non-CW. This is extremely surpsing for me! So, I agree this is problematic.
I agree with Shevek: cut new users some slack, and remember that not everyone is particularly bothered about "reputation".
Once you've used this site for a while, it's easy to forget how complicated it can look to fresh eyes. For example, go to the front page and count how many elements there are. By an "element" I mean something like a link, a tab, a reputation count, a view count, a datestamp, an entry box, a title, a menu, a name, a question, a tag ... New and newish users are highly unlikely to know what all these things mean, and similarly may have no idea what "community wiki" means. As Shevek says, the tick-box doesn't exactly jump out at you.
That isn't meant to be a criticism of the design of the site, which I think is pretty good. It's just a plea for some understanding of what it's like for new users. If a new user asks a good community wiki-type question and gets some "undeserved" points, what does it matter? Welcome to MathOverflow!
Meanwhile on the planet Krypton...
(Yes, I cross-posted the link here as a comment there as well, I just find it fascinating how well the community here views CW questions as a very useful part of the system, while the SE system [read: global network system, not individual sites] is very much trying to abhor the idea of CW questions...)
I also do not quite understand some discussion related to reputation. And, I think CW is rather over- than underused (and some CW question should not have existed in the first place). However, in some circumstances I think it is useful, and then it is also useful that there is no gain/loss in rep.
To me the typical example is a question where there are a couple of standard answers essentially everybody can think of and the only interesting thing is what is the distribution of the opinions expressed by votes and there is also no particular usefullnes in giving a similar but somewhat different answer; why the first to state the obvious should then get 'something' I think there is no need. And many of my downvotes were made resorting a CW-lists question; it would be strange if such votes had a rep-influence.
@David: I am confused regarding this issue now; but I defnitely was under a miscoception here and this behavior I am surprised about seems consistent as I checked in some case, so this is by design. Though I still believe that those answers appearing after the questioner decided for CW are automatically CW (without moderator intervention). But I agree it is odd if there are some 'old' non-CW answers on a CW-question, as this seems then arbitrary.
I first read Andrew Stacey's question, "What does actually being a CW-complex provide in algebraic topology?" as referring to a Community-Wiki complex!
Thierry, I think your remark is very good. But I would like to stress that this is how (among others) CW is supposed to be used by those implementing it. Yet, this has in my experience very little to do with how some want it to be used, and it is frequently used. For example as documented by what Asaf Karagila and others wrote in what is linked to. Where the point is very clearly that they do not want that people gain reputation for not directly mathematical questions/answers, and it is this (IMO wide-spread) line of reasoning that Gil Kalai seems to refer to. For example, for many advice-questions I think it makes little sense to argue that this should be CW to make things easily editable; often the answers are personal testimonials or experiences, to have them significantly edited by somebody else seems less desirable than for pure math answers.
So while I understand well why CW is like it is regarding rep from the point of view of those that control this behavior (who have a quite different idea when it should be used, yet in any case very rarely), I find it much less comprehensible in view of the way it is often (ab)used. As said, I think CW is over-used. If the community thinks that soft-question is not good enough to give rep, it should IMO simply be closed not turned into some form of second-class status.
In my experience, which is limited as it is rare, the direct editing by others works well if OP explicitly invites it, via a 'feel free to edit/expand' or something like this. (Otherwise I agree it is perhaps too rare; but I myself am hesitant too to edit others postings.)
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